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  • How to Use HELOC to Buy Investment Property

    How to Use HELOC to Buy Investment Property

    Have you ever wondered how successful real estate investors seem to acquire properties so quickly? The answer is usually related to “OPM”, or Other People’s Money. In today’s post, we’ll discuss how I’ve used a common form of OPM, a Home Equity Line of Credit or HELOC to buy investment property.

    The best part is that you can use and repeat this strategy to acquire multiple properties. On three separate occasions, my wife and I successfully used a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Besides acquiring properties, as a real estate investor, you can also use a HELOC to update a property. My wife and I have done both. We’ve used HELOCs to help with the initial downpayment to acquire properties. We’ve also used HELOCs to improve properties after we’ve purchased them to increase its value.

    Read on to learn what a HELOC is and how to use a HELOC to buy investment property.

    What is a HELOC?

    A Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) allows you to borrow money, in the form of a loan, against the equity in your home. Equity is the value of your home less what you owe on a mortgage.

    Think of a HELOC as a second mortgage on your property that works like a credit card. That means you will be charged interest when you use your HELOC funds.

    Just like with a primary mortgage, when you open a HELOC, the bank is protected by the equity in your home.

    Just like a credit card, you can choose when and how to use a HELOC. And, you can use your HELOC over and over again, as long as you pay down the balance. Use it, pay it off, use it again. This is what my wife and I have done.

    Of course, this is one of the best parts about HELOCs. Whether you want to use a HELOC to buy an investment property, or for any other purpose, you can tap the funds repeatedly and don’t get charged any interest until you use them.

    This point is worth repeating. You can open a HELOC and not use it right away. You won’t be charged interest while you wait for an opportunity to present itself.

    That opportunity might be using your HELOC to buy investment property.

    Or, it might mean using your HELOC to renovate your home or buy a car. This is what my wife and I did recently. When we bought a new car last year, we decided to use our HELOC funds instead of taking out a new auto loan.

    Extract equity or obtain funds from your property using a home equity loan or a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Keep in mind that when you decide to use your HELOC, you will be charged interest until you pay it back, just like a credit card. This is a major consideration to keep in mind if you’re thinking about using a HELOC to buy an investment property.

    To recap, a HELOC is really just a form of credit card, available to you for a set period of time, secured by the equity in your home.

    You can use those HELOC funds for any purpose. You can choose to use your HELOC to buy investment property, renovate your home, buy a car, or for pretty much any other purpose.

    What to know about paying off a HELOC.

    If this all sounds too good to be true, don’t forget that you do have to pay off your HELOC, with interest. Just like any other debt, whether it’s Good Debt or Bad Debt, a HELOC needs to be paid off.

    HELOCs are generally broken out into two phases, the “draw period” and the “repayment period.”

    The first phase is known as the borrowing period, or draw period. You can continue to use your HELOC funds for the duration of the draw period. Most HELOCs have a draw period of 10 years.

    During the draw period, your loan balance will accrue interest. Generally, you are required to make minimum payments during the draw period.

    These payments are usually referred to as “interest only” payments. This means you must pay the interest accrued during the previous month, but you don’t have to pay down the principle owed.

    At the close of the draw period, the repayment period begins. During the repayment period, you can no longer borrow from your HELOC.

    The repayment period typically lasts 10 or 20 years. Your lender will set a schedule for monthly payments to pay off the balance in full, similar to a mortgage.

    Four advantages to using a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Here are the four main reasons why I’ve used a HELOC to buy investment property. These same advantages apply to any other major purchase.

    1. You can use a HELOC as you would use cash, including for a downpayment.

    Once your HELOC is open, you can use the funds as you would cash. All you need to do is link your HELOC account to your primary checking account. You can make transfers into your checking account, as needed, up to your full HELOC credit limit.

    With a HELOC, once the transfer hits your checking account, you can spend that money just as you would any other money.

    This is a huge advantage if you want to use a HELOC to buy investment property.

    That’s because lenders heavily scrutinize where you are getting the funds you plan to use to close on a property. HELOC funds are almost always allowed to be used for a downpayment.

    On the other hand, cash advances from credit cards are typically not allowed for a downpayment on a conventional loans.

    2. HELOCs charge lower interest rates.

    The interest rate charged on HELOCs will typically be lower than the interest rate charged by credit cards and other personal loans.

    Interest rates on HELOCs are similar to prevailing mortgage rates, but typically charge about 1-2% more. This is to compensate the HELOC lender for the added risk of being the second mortgage on a property.

    According to Bankrate, here are the current average interest rates:

    As you can see, if you need to borrow money for any reason, using a HELOC usually gives you the best rate. This is a major reason why people generally use HELOCs.

    It’s also the primary reason why I have used a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Keep in mind that HELOCs generally charge a variable interest rate that may change monthly depending on market conditions outside your control. This is again to protect the HELOC lender, and is a factor to consider before you use your HELOC funds.

    In fact, this is one of the key risks with using HELOCs. You may apply for a HELOC when interest rates are low, but that can change. You may be faced with a significantly higher rate when you pay off the balance.

    From a real estate investor’s perspective, a higher interest rate may end up eating into all of your cashflow. Before using a HELOC to buy investment property, make sure the cashflow on the property can cover the higher loan payments.

    3. You only pay interest on HELOCs during the draw period.

    As discussed above, you typically only have to pay the interest on a HELOC during the draw period. That means your monthly payment is lower. As long as you make the minimum payment, the overall balance will not grow month to month.

    Then, during the repayment period, you have 10 to 20 years to pay off the balance. This lengthy period helps spread out the balance over time, which keeps the required payment lower each month. This long payoff period is extremely beneficial when paying off larger purchases, such as a home renovation.

    This is also another key reason why a real estate investor would use a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Spreading out the payments over the long term, and only paying interest during the draw period, means more monthly cashflow. Some real estate investors think differently, but to me, cashflow is king.

    4. You may have access to a larger sum with a HELOC.

    Because a HELOC is secured by the equity in your home, it’s likely you will be eligible for a larger sum than a typical credit card or other personal loan.

    While credit cards also allow cash advances, they are typically capped at a relatively low amount and come with higher interest rates.

    A larger available balance comes in handy when you want to use a HELOC to buy investment property.

    For conventional loans, you’ll typically need 20-25% of the purchase price as a downpayment. That is a lot of money to come up with on your own, even if you are great at fueling your savings.

    The same is true for funding any other major purchase. For example, just the other day, I spoke to a friend who opened up 12 different credit cards to launch his software business.

    If he had access to a HELOC, he would not have needed 12 separate credit accounts. The HELOC would have provided him enough funding.

    How I’ve used HELOCs to scale my real estate portfolio.

    Using HELOCs can be an effective way to scale your real estate portfolio.

    As mentioned above, you can use your HELOC for a downpayment on another investment property.

    This is one of the ways my wife and I scaled our real estate portfolio. We primarily invest in an area of Chicago where properties can get expensive. The same can be said about our vacation rental in Colorado.

    Coming up with a full downpayment in these markets on our own would take years of savings. We’ve made the choice to take on additional debt and added risk to scale more quickly.

    We purchased our first investment property in 2018. After making some improvements and paying down the mortgage, we applied for a HELOC in 2020. We then used those HELOC funds to help with the downpayment for our Colorado ski rental in 2021.

    After a couple years of unexpected appreciation on our ski rental, we took out a HELOC on that property in 2022.

    We then used that HELOC to help purchase a third rental property in Chicago in 2022 and our primary home in 2024.

    As you can see, we’ve used our equity gains in our earlier properties to take out HELOCs to help acquire additional properties.

    Along the way, we have worked on paying down the balances of each of those HELOCs. This way, we reduced our debt and increased our net worth. We can also now repeat the process and again use a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Besides a downpayment, real estate investors can use HELOC funds to make improvements to their properties.

    Real estate investors also use HELOC funds for improvements to their properties. These improvements can lead to equity gains through appreciation and also more monthly cashflow.

    We’ve used HELOCs in this way on multiple occasions. For example, we used our HELOC to install washers and dryers into three of our apartments.

    We then paid off the HELOC balance with the increased rental income generated by those three improved apartments.

    Don’t ignore the biggest risk of using a HELOC to buy investment property.

    With all the advantages of HELOCs, there is one major risk that cannot be ignored. This single risk is so important that is should outweigh all of the advantages for most people.

    HELOC equals debt.

    Like with all debt, if you abuse the privilege, you are going to get yourself in trouble.

    This is why Dave Ramsay is adamant that debt should not be used as a tool to build wealth.

    In his bestselling book, The Total Money Makeover, Ramsey walks you through how to build wealth without relying on debt.

    If you decide to tap your HELOC funds, remember that the loan is tied to the equity in your home. If you fail to comply with the loan terms, your home is at stake.

    That’s a huge risk.

    Before you consider using a HELOC, be sure to have a plan in place for paying back the loan. This is where your Budget After Thinking can really help.

    I would not use a HELOC as a beginner investor.

    While there are upsides to using HELOCs, it is a potentially risky strategy that I would not feel comfortable with as a beginner investor.

    I say that for good reason.

    When you hear HELOC, you should immediately think about debt. For many of us, debt is problematic and leads to negative emotions.

    I’ve experienced these negative emotions associated with debt. I only got comfortable with taking on debt as I learned to trust myself again with the responsibility.

    While I’ve used HELOCs to scale my real estate portfolio, my primary money goal this year is to pay down these HELOCs. I’m tired of having those debt balances hanging over my head.

    If you have proven to yourself that you can responsibly handle debt, using a HELOC may be a worthwhile strategy.

    By responsible with debt, I mean:

    If you have satisfied all of the above, you can then make an informed decision about using debt to scale your real estate portfolio.

    How do you apply for a HELOC?

    Applying for a HELOC is just like applying for a mortgage. The bank will review your finances and determine if it will lend you money against the equity in your home.

    HELOC – Home with a Dollar Sign and Line Graph Symbolizing Borrowing Against Home Equity, which illustrates that using a HELOC to buy investment property can be a useful strategy to scale your real estate portfolio.

    If you’ve ever applied for a mortgage, you know this is not a fun process.

    The key to qualifying for a HELOC is that your home equity needs to have grown in value, either by paying down your primary mortgage or through appreciation.

    Let’s look at an example of using a HELOC to buy investment property.

    Note, you’ll never have to do this math yourself. This is for illustration purposes in case you want to estimate the amount you may be eligible for before you start the application process.

    For easy math, we’ll make some assumptions in this example. Always confer with your mortgage broker or lender for precise calculations.

    In this example, let’s say you bought a home five years ago for $500,000.

    • You put 20% down ($100,000) when you bought the home, so your original mortgage was for $400,000. This means your equity in the home when you bought it was $100,000.
    • For the past five years, you’ve paid down the principle on your mortgage every month. For easy math, let’s assume your remaining mortgage is now $350,000. Because you paid down $50,000 of the mortgage, your equity has increased by $50,000.
    • Not only have you been paying down the mortgage for five years, your home has also appreciated in value and is now worth $600,000. That’s another $100,000 in equity you now have in your home.

    Add it all up and you started with $100,000 in equity (your original downpayment) and now have $250,000 in equity.

    This is because you have paid the mortgage down every month and your home has appreciated in value.

    In this scenario, you may be eligible for a HELOC to buy an investment property.

    How do lenders calculate the amount of your HELOC?

    Each bank may have different standards for qualification and how much they will lend you. Generally, banks will use a metric called Loan-to-value ratio to calculate the amount of your HELOC.

    What is Loan-to-value ratio?

    Loan-to-value ratio is a complicated name for an easy math formula:

    LTVratio = Mortgage amount / Property value.

    In our scenario, your current mortgage amount is $350,000. Your property value is $600,000.

    So, your LTVratio is .5833 ($350,000 / $600,000). In terms of percentage, that’s approximately 58%.

    A typical HELOC lender will allow you to borrow up to a combined LTVratio of 70%.

    That means your existing mortgage plus the HELOC can only add up to 70% of the value of your home.

    The bank does this to protect itself by requiring you to maintain 30% equity in your home.

    To carry out our example, using a combined LTVratio of 70%, you may be eligible for a HELOC of $70,000:

    • Value of home = $600,000.
    • First mortgage = $350,000 (approx. 58%)
    • HELOC = $70,000 (approx. 12% of value of home)
    • Combined mortgage + HELOC= $420,000 (70% of home’s value).
    • Remaining equity in home = $180,000 (30% of home’s value).

    Again, you don’t need to do this math yourself, but it’s helpful if you want to understand what size HELOC you may be eligible for before starting the process with lenders.

    Have you used a HELOC to buy investment property?

    Using a HELOC to buy investment property can be an effective strategy. My wife and I have effectively used this strategy multiple times.

    Before you decide to use a HELOC, be sure to understand the risks associated with taking on additional debt.

    • Have you used a HELOC to buy investment property before?
    • What about using a HELOC for any other purpose?

    Tell us about your experience in the comments below.

  • Better to Ignore Mortgage Rates

    Better to Ignore Mortgage Rates

    In today’s Q&A, we’ll address two great questions from readers about shopping for a home in today’s environment. We’ll also talk through how to know if you have enough Parachute Money.

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    Should I wait for mortgage rates to drop before buying a home?

    This question has been on people’s minds for a few years now. Ever since rates started climbing from the all-time lows during the pandemic, people have been hoping they might significantly drop again.

    In my humble opinion, that ain’t happening. At least not anytime soon.

    Google “Are interest rates going to drop” and you’ll find that nearly every major news outlet and mortgage lender has a prediction. Most predictions right now are about the same. US News summed it up just about perfectly:

    Analysts expect the 30-year fixed mortgage rate to stay elevated between 6% and 7% for the next two years. Just two months ago, economists thought it would fall into the 5% range by the second half of 2025. With such wild fluctuations in the forecast, you’d be just as likely to get a satisfactory mortgage rate outlook from a Magic 8 Ball: Cannot predict now. Ask again later.

    Nobody knows what’s going to happen with rates. Just two months ago, US News thought rates would drop. Now, they’re expected to stay elevated. What are you supposed to do with that information?

    I recommend you ignore it.

    My advice is to buy a home when you’ve decided it’s the right moment in your life to do so. Make that decision regardless of what current interest rates are.

    Why do I recommend you ignore mortgage rates?

    There are really only three things that can happen to mortgage rates over time:

    1. Mortgage rates stay the same.
    2. Mortgage rates go up.
    3. Mortgage rates go down.

    In any of those three scenarios, there’s no point in basing your decision to buy a home only on the current rates. Let me explain.

    Let’s say you have a crystal ball and can look three years into the future. Looking into your crystal ball, let’s play out each of the three scenarios mentioned above.

    1. Your crystal ball shows you that mortgage rates stayed relatively consistent.

    Since rates stayed the same, there would be no point in waiting to buy a home because of rates. The rates three years from now are the same as they are today.

    By waiting, you’re likely going to experience that homes have gotten more expensive. The longer you wait, the more expensive they are going to be.

    The data shows that homes have become more expensive historically and in the recent past. In 2024, U.S. homebuyers paid nearly double what they paid for homes in 1965, accounting for inflation. More recently, in Chicago for one example, home prices are up more than 9% since just last year.

    So, even if rates stay the same, prices are likely to go up and you shouldn’t sit around waiting for them to drop.

    2. Your crystal ball shows you that mortgage rates went up.

    If rates go up, it’s easy to conclude that it’s a mistake to delay your home buying decision. Higher rates, combined with higher prices, is… not good.

    3. Your crystal ball shows you that mortgage rates went down.

    This is the scenario that many people are waiting for. When rates go down, you can afford a more expensive home. That’s a good thing, right?

    Not so fast.

    Do you think you’re the only person sitting around waiting for rates to drop? For the same reasons that you’re waiting, many other people are also waiting.

    So, what happens when lots of people are waiting to buy the same thing? Demand goes up. When demand goes up, you have more competition to buy that same house. That means prices go up. You’ll end up paying more money for the house, even with a lower interest rate.

    Take it from me, bidding wars are not fun. I would much prefer to get the house I want without the added competition.

    If mortgage rates end up dropping later on, I’ll refinance my loan into the lower rate. I may pay more on a monthly basis in the short term, but long term, I have the house I want at the best available current rate.

    So, there you have it. No matter what happens to rates, in my opinion, you’re best off shopping for a home when the time is right in your life.

    Forget about the rates. If rates do end up going down in the future, you can still benefit by refinancing.

    My wife and I are considering buying a home that would be the most expensive home ever sold in the neighborhood. Is that a bad idea?

    This is another great question. Opinions will certainly vary, so I encourage you to talk to your inner circle to get a variety of perspectives.

    Personally, I have no problem buying the most expensive property in a neighborhood, under one condition: I plan on holding that property for at least 10 years.

    Like the data above shows, home prices tend to go up historically. Since 1990, home prices nationally have appreciated on average at a rate of 4.4%.

    If you’ve done your homework and are shopping for real estate in good neighborhoods, it’s only a matter of time before another home sells for a higher price.

    The longer you hold the real estate, the more home appreciation works in your favor.

    Appreciation is one of the best reasons to invest in real estate, after all.

    When we bought our first rental property in Chicago in 2018, we paid the highest price for any 4-flat in our neighborhood. At the time, we were a bit concerned that we were overpaying. Those worries were short lived. With seven years of appreciation working in our favor, numerous properties have sold since then for significantly more money.

    Family walking into new home just purchased illustrating it's not always a bad idea to buy the most expensive home in neighborhood as learned on Think and Talk Money.

    Yes, there are always going to be dips in the market. Do not expect your home to steadily appreciate every year. This is why my one condition is to hold the property for at least 10 years. When you hold property (or any investment) for the long run, time is on your side. You can wait out any dips in the market.

    As long as you’ve done your homework and are willing to hold a property for the long run, I would have no hesitations in buying the most expensive property in a neighborhood.

    I’m fascinated by the concept of Parachute Money. My question is: how will I know if I have enough Parachute Money?

    The idea of Parachute Money is one of my favorite concepts in personal finance. Check out our post here to learn more about how empowering Parachute Money can be.

    To know how much Parachute Money you need, look back at your Budget After Thinking. All you need to do is add up your monthly Now Money and Life Money to figure out how much Parachute Money you’ll need to maintain your current life.

    For example, let’s say your budgeting process taught you that you need $6,000 of Now Money and $4,000 of Life Money each month. Your Parachute Money target is $10,000.

    If your goal is to walk away from your primary job, you’ll need to create $10,000 of income streams not counting that primary job. That could be from any combination of investments and side hustles. Once you hit $10,000 in parachute strings, you should be able to safely walk away from that job.

    Note that for calculating your Parachute Money, you can ignore your Later Money goals. The reason why relates back to the purpose of Parachute Money.

    The purpose of Parachute Money is to be able to choose to walk away on your own terms while continuing to support yourself.

    Presumably, choosing to walk away from a bad situation accomplishes one of your primary goals for saving and investing money in the first place.

    At this phase of your life, it’s OK to temporarily set aside your Later Money goals. If and when you choose to seek new sources of income, you can start fueling your Later Money goals again.

    The exception to this rule is if you have debt obligations that are not accounted for in your Now Money. If that’s the case, be sure to include your debt obligations in your Parachute Money target.

    One last thing about Parachute Money: achieving true Parachute Money is hard. Just remember, the payoff could be extremely valuable to you: not having to work your primary job if you choose not to. That’s the definition of financial independence.

    Thanks again for all the great questions!

    If we didn’t get to your question this week, we’ll do our best to get to it in an upcoming post.

  • Great Talk: Money and Cheeseburgers

    Great Talk: Money and Cheeseburgers

    Talking money is not taboo.

    The only thing that’s taboo is avoiding your personal finances.

    To help flip the script and convince you that talking money is not taboo, I plan to regularly post about the current money conversations that I’m having. Through my examples, I hope to encourage you to have similar conversations.

    In our first “Great Talk” post, we’ll discuss what my wife and I decided to do with our Later Money throughout 2025. We’ll also talk about how really smart people I know have started budgeting. We’ll conclude with an empowering conversation I had with a friend about what you can do with your time if money wasn’t an obstacle.

    What I’m doing with my Later Money in 2025.

    Later Money is what you are saving, investing, or using to pay off debt. This bucket includes long term goals and investments, like retirement and college savings. It also includes emergency savings, paying off debt, or any other shorter term goals, like saving for a wedding or a downpayment for a house.

    Later Money is the key category that fuels your ultimate life goals, like financial independence.

    The more you fuel this category, the faster you can reach your goals.

    So, what are my wife and I doing with our Later Money in 2025?

    We recently had a great talk about our options and came up with a plan that will guide us throughout the year. Before we talk about our 2025 goals, it’s important to keep in mind that your Later Money goals will change over time. That’s perfectly fine.

    Our goals in 2025 are not the same as they were between 2016 and 2024. Prior to 2025, my wife and I were focused on expanding our real estate portfolio.

    We purchased our first rental property in 2018, a four-flat in an up-and-coming Chicago neighborhood. Less than a year later, we bought a three-flat in the same neighborhood.

    In 2021, we invested in a Colorado rental ski condo. In 2022, we purchased our fourth rental property, a three-flat, in the same (now booming) neighborhood in Chicago.

    After living in our rental properties since 2018, we purchased a single-family home just outside Chicago in 2024.

    During this timeframe, any spare dollar we earned went towards acquiring more real estate. We contributed towards other financial goals, like retirement and college, but our priority was investing in real estate.

    Knowing when enough is enough.

    Our goals have changed in 2025. We started talking about revamping our goals towards the end of 2024. I owe a lot of credit for our new goals to Chad “Coach” Carson and his excellent book, Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor: How to Reach Financial Freedom with Fewer Rental Properties.

    In his book, Coach Carson makes a compelling argument to think about when enough is enough. His message was about acquiring more and more real estate, to no end, but also applies to any pursuit in life. You can learn more about Coach Carson and his incredible journey on his website.

    Reading Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor helped my wife and I conclude that at this point in our lives, we have enough. If anything, we’re closer to having too much on our plate. We self-manage our 10 units in Chicago and work closely with a property manager in Colorado. With our full-time jobs and kids at home, we’ve bitten off as much as we can chew.

    Our portfolio generates enough income to help fuel our current goals. If we were to continue expanding, the headaches could end up outweighing the financial benefits.

    We want to build a life full of experiences and memories. That means we need more time, not more money. Acquiring and managing more properties right now would take up a lot of time. That tradeoff is not currently worth it to us.

    So, if we’re not pursuing additional properties in 2025, what are our goals?

    After talking it through together and weighing all our options, my wife and I came up with these three goals for 2025:

    1. Our first goal is to continuing paying down our mortgage debt. We used HELOCs (Home Equity Line of Credit) to help us acquire some of our properties. Now that we’ve determined that “enough is enough,” we’re focused on paying back these loans.
    2. Our second goal is to build up our emergency savings. We mostly ignored our emergency savings between 2017 and 2024. It was risky and led to some touch-and-go moments that we’d like to avoid moving forward.
    3. Our third goal is to boost our contributions to our kids’ college savings accounts. We use what’s called a “529 college savings plan.” 529 plans are state-sponsored, tax-advantaged investment accounts. We use Illinois’ 529 plan because we receive a tax break as Illinois residents. Just about every state offers a 529 plan. They are a great way to save for college.

    With our plan in place ahead of time, we now know where every dollar is going before we earn it. This takes the anxiety out of trying to figure it out after the money has already hit our bank account.

    At the end of each month, all we need to do is make our Later Money transfers to each account. We can rest easy knowing that we’re making progress towards our personal finance goals.

    How Budgeting is Helping Very Smart People.

    One of my favorite moments since launching Think and Talk Money occurred just last week. Walking down the hall in my office, one of my colleagues called me over. She was very excited to share that she started tracking her spending so she can create a Budget After Thinking.

    We chatted for ten minutes. She’s been reading the blog on her commute to work every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. She used Think and Talk Money vocabulary, like “Now Money” and “Life Money.”

    She showed me the app she’s been using to track her spending, one I wasn’t familiar with and am now looking into. She shared that she’s been telling her friends about Think and Talk Money because she’s already learned so much.

    This is exactly why talking about money is not taboo. She taught me something new and helped me think about my own budgeting process. She gave me new ideas to think about.

    How could this type of conversation be bad?

    We didn’t need to talk numbers. We talked strategy and habits. That’s what talking money is all about.

    What would you do with your time if money was not an obstacle?

    I had lunch with an old friend last week at a downtown Chicago lunch spot that’s been serving up epic burgers since the 1970’s. My friend and I are both balancing careers as lawyers in Chicago with young families at home.

    In between bites of a massive BBQ-bacon-cheeseburger, I asked him a question I like asking smart people:

    “What would you do with your time if money wasn’t an obstacle?”

    Without hesitation, he answered that he would work with his hands. He likes working on projects around the house. He gets immediate satisfaction from completing a repair or making an improvement.

    Two men eating out in cafe or restaurant talking about financial independence as learned on Think and Talk Money.

    His answer was great and very relatable. My years as a landlord has taught me the same feeling of satisfaction in completing a project.

    What stood out to me the most was how quickly he answered the question. He knew exactly what he would do if money was not an obstacle.

    This simple question helps illustrate what I mean when we talk about financial independence. It’s not an easy goal to accomplish, but I can’t think of a better goal to strive for.

    You are financially independent when money is not an obstacle.

    When you are financially independent, you can spend more time doing what is meaningful to you. You can spend more time with people that are meaningful to you.

    Whether you want to work with your hands or represent clients or teach kids, the choice is yours when you’re financial independent.

    That seems like a goal worth striving for.

    What could ever be better than that?

    So, let me ask you:

    What would you do with your time if money was no obstacle?

    Please share below!

    And always remember, talking money is not taboo.

  • Why You Need to Track Your Net Worth

    Why You Need to Track Your Net Worth

    On the first of every month, I wake up at 5:15 a.m., brush my teeth, and put on my robe.

    I walk downstairs, pour a cup of coffee, and head to my favorite chair in the living room.

    I then power on my laptop and open an Excel file called “Adair Family Balance Sheet.” Using this basic spreadsheet, my wife and I have been tracking and discussing our net worth for years.

    It takes me about 20 minutes to update our family balance sheet each month. The hardest part is remembering all the passwords for our accounts.

    When I finish entering the new account values, I study the spreadsheet for about two minutes.

    I hope to see that our money efforts that month resulted in our assets increasing in value and our debts decreasing.

    When I’m finished with the updates, my wife grabs her coffee and sits with me. She will likewise study the family balance sheet for about two minutes.

    We’ll then spend about three minutes talking about the changes from the previous month.

    And, that’s it.

    It takes us less than 30 minutes each month to track and discuss what I consider the most important metric in personal finance.

    That’s all the time it takes to know if we are progressing towards our most important goals. By tracking our net worth, we can quickly see if we are making good money decisions or need to make adjustments.

    I recommend everybody, no matter where you are in your financial journey, track your net worth.

    Just like budgeting with two simple numbers, tracking your net worth is the best, and easiest, way to measure your money progress.

    There’s no better way to learn how much money you’re keeping after a month of making money.

    In this post, we’ll talk about what “net worth” means, how to track it, and why it’s so important.

    Let’s start with what net worth means.

    Going into hiding straight from a London pub.

    One night when I was studying abroad in London years ago, my good friend, Kais, and I were talking in a pub. I don’t remember what we were talking about when he offered:

    “If I was in trouble and needed to go into hiding, I could sell everything that I own, pay all my debts, put the leftover money in the bank, and be fine for a couple of years.”

    Uhh, OK…

    At the time, I had no idea what he was talking about.

    Still, I had to admit that it seemed pretty cool that he had that kind of financial flexibility. I knew I couldn’t survive for a couple of weeks, let alone a couple of years.

    People in an english pub talking about their net worth as learned on Think and Talk Money.
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    Looking back years later, I now realize that he was talking about his net worth.

    Kais, if you’re reading this, drop me a line to let me know you’re not hiding.

    So, what is net worth?

    Your net worth is simply all of your assets less all of your liabilities.

    Net Worth = Assets – Liabilities

    Yup, you only need those two numbers to calculate your net worth, the most important number in personal finance.

    There’s no complicated math involved. Just addition and subtraction, which couldn’t be easier in a basic balance sheet (or spreadsheet).

    Let’s start with understanding what counts as an asset.

    What are assets?

    An asset is anything that has economic value and can be owned or controlled.

    In even simpler terms, an asset is just about anything you can think of that could be exchanged for money.

    My family’s current assets include:

    • Retirement accounts for both me and my wife
    • College savings accounts for each kid
    • Health savings account (my favorite account… we’ll revisit)
    • Checking accounts
    • Savings accounts
    • Cars
    • Jewelry
    • Properties
    • Cash on hand

    Other common examples of assets include:

    • Collectibles (artwork, coins, designer bags)
    • Furniture
    • Household goods (TVs, appliances, rugs, etc.)
    • Clothes
    • Tools
    • Recreational gear (bicycles, golf clubs, boats)
    • Toys

    It’s up to you to decide what assets to include in your balance sheet. There is no strict science to it. That said, there’s no point in overstating (or understating) your assets. You (and your family) are the only ones who will be reviewing your balance sheet.

    I personally don’t include all of our household items, but you are certainly welcome to. For me, it’s not worth the time and effort to determine how much I could earn by selling my TV or snowboard.

    a closet that is organized and neatly arranged with clothes, shoes, and accessories, illustrating items that could count as assets learned on Think and Talk Money.

    It’s perfectly acceptable if you want to tally up the value of your items. I think it makes sense to do so if you have a lot of nice things. If you choose to do so, aim for estimates, rather than precise values, to make your life easier.

    Why it is so important to acquire assets.

    Assets can, but don’t always, appreciate (increase in value) over time. For example, a property may appreciate over the long term, but a typical car will do the opposite and depreciate (lose value over time).

    Assets can also generate income, but don’t always. A good rental property should generate monthly cashflow. A stock portfolio can generate dividends (payments from companies to investors).

    On the other hand, a designer bag won’t generate income, unless you charge people to borrow it. Even so, a designer bag is still considered an asset because you could exchange it for money.

    To state the obvious, owning assets is a very good idea. Especially assets that appreciate and assets that generate income.

    When you own these types of assets, your net worth will increase over time without much extra effort on your part. You don’t have to specifically trade your time for money with these types of assets.

    Think of it like this: the best way to achieve financial independence is to own assets that increase in value over time and generate income.

    By tracking your net worth each month, you’ll know how your assets are doing.

    Does my home count as an asset?

    Some people, like personal finance legend Robert Kiyosaki, don’t think you should count your home as an asset. The argument goes something like, “You can’t really sell your home because then you wouldn’t have anywhere to live. So, you shouldn’t count it as an asset.”

    I couldn’t possibly disagree more.

    For many of us, our homes are our most important purchase in our lives. Over the long run, most of our homes will appreciate in value, even if not as much as we hoped.

    We spend years working to make money so we can pay down the mortgage. Each payment we make reduces our debt and increases our equity in the home, thereby improving our net worth.

    Don’t overcomplicate it. Include your home as part of your net worth. Just don’t forget to include the mortgage as a liability (we’ll discuss below).

    How do you determine the value of your home for purposes of tracking your net worth?

    Make it easy on yourself. The goal is to obtain a reasonable estimate. If you’ve worked with a real estate broker, ask her for the current value of your home. She will use recent “comps”, meaning similar comparable properties in the area, to come up with a fair value.

    You can also make a decent estimate of the value of your home by studying comps yourself. Platforms like Redfin or Zillow make it easy to see what homes have sold in your neighborhood.

    Look for homes as similar to yours as you can find. Focus on size, the number of bedrooms and bathrooms, and the quality of the finishes.

    Remember, this is not an exact science. We’re aiming for an estimate of your home value only for the purpose of measuring your net worth.

    On our family balance sheet, I only update the estimated value of our properties once per year. That’s good enough for me, and all you really need to do.

    Now that we know what assets are, we need to figure out what liabilities are to calculate our net worth.

    What are liabilities?

    A liability is any debt or obligation that you owe to someone else. Liabilities are most commonly found in the form of loans.

    Unlike assets, liabilities diminish your overall net worth.

    To speed up your path to financial independence, focus on reducing or eliminating liabilities.

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    My family’s current liabilities include:

    • Lines of credit
    • Mortgages

    Other common examples of liabilities include:

    • Credit card debt
    • Student loan debt
    • Auto loans
    • Personal Loans
    • Consumer loans

    When you are beginning your career, it’s common for your liabilities to be greater than your assets. This is usually because of student loan balances.

    Remember our real life, really lost boy? He had a negative net worth for years.

    Don’t let that discourage you from tracking your net worth. Even if you’re in negative territory, each month is a chance to shrink that negative number, which means your net worth is increasing.

    Whether you are paying down debt, or adding to your savings or investments, the result is the same: your net worth increases.

    The reason for tracking your net worth also remains the same: individual progress, over time.

    Now that we know what assets and liabilities are, we can create our balance sheet and determine our net worth.

    Creating your own net worth balance sheet is very easy.

    I’m happy to share the spreadsheet I currently use to track my net worth. Subscribe to our weekly email newsletter, and send me a reply to the next email asking for my net worth spreadsheet.

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    On the top of my family’s net worth spreadsheet, each row represents an asset, or something we own.

    On the bottom of the spreadsheet, the rows represent the debts we owe.

    Each of the 12 columns (one column for each month) in the spreadsheet indicates the value of each asset at the end of the month.

    The reason I add a new column for each month, instead of just updating the values in a single column, is so I can easily see how our net worth has changed over time.

    Once all 12 months for the year are filled in, I start a new sheet and repeat the process. This helps us track how our net worth has changed over the long run.

    Since your balance sheet is for your eyes only (or your family’s eyes), feel free to design it however you want.

    On our family spreadsheet, I use different colors to illustrate the different types of assets we own and liabilities we owe:

    Turquoise for securities (stocks and bonds). Orange for checking accounts. Purple for savings and objects (like cars and jewelry). Green for properties.

    I like color coding because it helps me quickly visualize what we own or owe in each broad category.

    Here’s what a simple balance sheet looks like:

    If you want to create your own balance sheet, here’s what it might look like:

    AssetsJanuaryFebruaryMarch
    401(k)
    Roth IRA
    529 College
    HSA
    Checking
    Savings
    Car
    Home
    Rental Properties
    Total
    LiabilitiesJanuaryFebruaryMarch
    Credit Cards
    Mortgage
    Student Loan
    Auto Loan
    Total

    Once you input the amounts for each cell in the appropriate column, use the “sum” function to total your assets and separately total your liabilities.

    Then, all you need to do calculate your net worth is create one final row labeled “Net Worth”.

    In the “Net Worth” cell, simply use the “sum” function again to subtract the liabilities total from the assets total.

    JanuaryFebruaryMarch
    NET WORTH

    That’s all there is to it. Now, you know your net worth.

    Tracking your net worth is the best way to measure your personal financial progress.

    By now, you should be thinking that it’s not too difficult to track your net worth.

    It takes my wife and I less than 30 minutes each month to track and talk about the most important number in personal finance.

    How can we spend so little time on the most important number in personal finance?

    Because we’re only looking for progress compared to what our net worth was previously.

    We’re not interested in anyone else’s numbers. We only care about making personal improvements for our family.

    If our net worth is increasing over time, it means we are heading in the right direction.

    It means that we are continuing to fuel our Later Money goals. We’re paying down debt. We’re letting our investments do their thing.

    If our net worth is decreasing, it means we need to consider making adjustments.

    Sometimes our net worth decreases because the markets are heading down. If that’s the case, we don’t do anything. At this stage in our lives, we can afford to wait for the markets to tick back up.

    If the issue is that our debt is increasing, or we haven’t fueled our investments that month, we make adjustments.

    By studying our net worth each month, we can catch these setbacks before they become a continuous problem.

    That’s all there is to it.

    All before the kids wake up.

    Do you currently track your net worth?

    Have you found it useful to measure your overall financial health.

  • Better at Making or Keeping Money?

    Better at Making or Keeping Money?

    When people learn that I’ve been teaching money wellness to law students, I usually get a reaction like, “I need that class! I know nothing about investments and the stock market.”

    It’s a fair reaction. Investing in the stock market can be complicated. Most of us never learn basic stock market principles, let alone how to manage an investment portfolio.

    It’s also a reaction that has always fascinated me. Yes, wanting to learn about investing is important. But, it’s not where money wellness begins.

    I often wonder, why do people automatically assume that money wellness means investing? There are so many things that we need to get right before we can focus on investing.

    Learning about the stock market wasn’t going to help me when I was struggling with debt. I needed to first figure out how to make better spending choices and get out of debt. I needed to play defense before I could go on offense.

    Yes, investing is important.

    No, it shouldn’t be the first thing we think of when we hear money wellness.

    We’ve hardly mentioned investing so far in this blog.

    Have you noticed that so far in the Think and Talk Money blog we have hardly even mentioned the word “invest”?

    That’s because in order to invest, we first need available money.

    To have available money, we need a budget that actually works.

    To have a budget that actually works, we need honest, powerful life goals.

    Are you starting to see why we first talk about money mindset? Then we moved on to budgeting?

    We will talk about investing once we have a plan to continuously generate money to invest.

    We will soon talk about investing. A lot. Don’t worry. In my money wellness class, we discuss in depth the importance of investing to create wealth.

    Here at Think and Talk Money, we will also talk extensively about investing, including in the stock market and in my preferred asset class, real estate.

    Investing is not as hard as generating money to invest.

    For now, our goal is to establish sound habits so we have real money to consistently invest over time. It doesn’t make sense to learn how to invest until we have a strong foundation in place.

    I think you’ll also find that investing is really not that hard. If learning how to do it on your own doesn’t sound like something you want to do, there are professionals that can do it for you. Whether it’s a good idea to go that route is something we’ll discuss so you can make an informed decision.

    If you do hire a professional to invest your money, you still need to know enough so you can talk to this person.

    Plus, this person will likely tell you that your ongoing mission is to generate more cash to fuel investments. That’s what we’re focusing on now.

    The fun part is once you’ve discovered your motivations and established strong habits, you will consistently have money available so you can invest month after month for the rest of your life.

    You could be a terrific investor. If you only have $1,000 to invest a single time, your upside will be limited. If you continuously generate $1,000/month of Later Money to invest, your options (and your wealth) will grow exponentially.

    My wife and I would not own five properties today if we didn’t first learn personal money wellness.

    My wife and I would not own five properties (11 rental units) today if we had not first learned money wellness fundamentals. I don’t just mean we wouldn’t have had money available to invest, although that is certainly true.

    I also mean we wouldn’t have the skills and knowledge to successfully run our real estate business. If you’ve ever wanted to be a business owner or investor, working on personal finance skills now is critical.

    Maybe that’s not your path. Still, these skills are critical whether you are a consultant, a writer, or a teacher. Would you agree that having money issues and stress at home can distract you from performing your job at the highest level?

    How many hours per year do you work to make money?

    Lately, when people ask me why I’m so passionate about money wellness, I respond with a question of my own that goes something like this:

    “Let’s say we work 2,000 hours per year to make money (40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year).

    We won’t even count all the hours we spend getting dressed and commuting to our jobs.

    We also will pretend we’re not looking at our emails in the evening and on weekends.

    We definitely won’t count the hours we’re staring at the ceiling fan because we can’t sleep.

    OK, so that’s 2,000 hours (plus) per year, to make money.

    How many hours per year do we think about what to do with that money?”

    Let that sink in for a moment.

    How many hours do you work every year to make money? 2,000? 3,000? I’m guessing a lot of those hours are stressful.

    Now, how many hours do you think about what to do with that money?

    Do you spend any hours at all talking about what to do with that money?

    This is why I am passionate about money wellness. Most people spend the vast majority of their lives worried about making money and practically no time at all thinking about what to do with that money.

    No, I’m not suggesting that you need to think about money for 2,000 hours per year.

    What I am suggesting is that even that little bit of time each week spent thinking and talking about money is just as important as the time you spent earning it.

    Think and Talk Money is about encouraging each other to make purposeful money choices.

    Robert Kiyosaki put it best in Rich Dad Poor Dad, “It’s not how much money you make. It’s how much money you keep.”

    If you knew someone that made $1,000,000 per year, and at the end of the year, had only invested $20,000, what would your reaction be?

    What if you knew someone who made $100,000 per year and invested $20,000? Did your reaction change?

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    Think and Talk Money is all about actively thinking and talking about money so we can help each other make informed choices with our hard earned money.

    Whether you make a lot of money or a little money, it doesn’t matter. What you choose to do with that money is up to. It’s your life.

    All I want is for you to make those choices from a position of informed confidence.

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      Great insight! The foundation is so important!

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  • Help a Professor Out: Ask Your Money Questions Here

    Help a Professor Out: Ask Your Money Questions Here

    Think and Talk Money’s motto is “Money Wellness Together.” The more we all talk, the more we all benefit. The best way to keep the conversation going? Ask questions!

    I’ve learned through teaching in law schools for the past 15 years that most of us prefer seminars with questions and answers to long lectures. Thanks for all the great questions so far! I’m hoping we can do a Q&A post like this just about every week.

    Please keep the questions coming in the comments on any post, by responding to our newsletter, or on Instagram.

    In our first Q&A post, we’ll cover my favorite personal finance books, whether you should keep your condo as a rental unit, and the most important question of all: what is Italian beef?

    1. Do you have a favorite personal finance book that you would recommend?

    What a great question. I always recommend starting with books that focus on money mindset. Like we always talk about, the first step is getting our money mindset in the right place. I would start with:

    1. Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki. There’s a reason this is the best selling personal finance book of all time. If you read Rich Dad Poor Dad, your entire money mindset will be changed. Kiyosaki brilliantly shares the stories he learned growing up from his Rich Dad (really his best friend’s dad, very successful real estate investor/business owner) and his Poor Dad (his actual dad, highly educated/traditional career path). Using these two role models in his life, he makes a very compelling and easy to follow case that most of us go about life and money all wrong.

    Read Rich Dad Poor Dad. It will light a fire under you like no other book I’ve read.

    2. Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. Another longtime classic that will shift your money mindset. I first read this book in college when I learned my friend’s dad offered him $50 if he read this book. $50 to read a book? I’m in.

    Originally published in 1937 and recently updated, Think and Grow Rich, will convince you that we can all be successful. Hill studied innovators like Henry Ford and Thomas Edison. In the updated version, you’ll learn about modern figures like Bill Gates and Mary Kay Ash. To translate the title into my own words: Wake up! Use your brain! You can be successful in any walk of life if you just stop sleepwalking through life like everyone else and do something!

    Read Think and Grow Rich. You will be motivated to do that thing you’ve been saying you would do, but haven’t yet.

    3. The Richest Man in Babylon by George S. Clason. A third classic originally published nearly 100 years ago. Clason wrote a simple collection of fables set in the ancient city of Babylon to illustrate the power of fundamental money habits: earn, save, invest, protect. Through his stories, you’ll see how you can get ahead in life by practicing strong financial wellness habits.

    Read The Richest Man in Babylon. You’ll understand the building blocks of a healthy financial life.

    4. Your Money or Your Life by Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez. Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez are often credited for laying the groundwork for the Financially Independent Retire Early (FIRE) movement. They have a lot to say about the relationship between money, work, and time.

    Most of us are doing it all wrong. We chase money at the cost of our precious time. By making good choices about how to earn money- and as importantly what to do with that money- you can get the most out of your money and your life.

    Read Your Money or Your Life. You will start to value your time for what it’s really worth.

    5. Die with Zero by Bill Perkins. Perkins makes a strong case that many of us are saving too much for retirement. We work too many hours and save more money than we’ll ever need. Instead, we could be using that money during the best years of our lives to create lifelong memories.

    Perkins also questions the conventional wisdom of waiting until we die to pass money onto our kids. He suggests helping our kids earlier in life when the money will be more meaningful.

    Read Die With Zero. You won’t wait any longer to book that vacation you’ve been putting off for no good reason.

    If you have read these books already, but it was some time ago, read them again. I didn’t fully appreciate all the lessons until I was years into my career and knew what it felt like to work for money.

    2. $500 Challenge? I could never do that! 

    In Part 3 of our series on budgeting, I gave you 10 of my favorite tips to help stay on budget. One of the tips involved a game my wife and I play called the “$500 Challenge.”

    Part 3: How to Win the Budget Game

    If $500 is a nonstarter for you, increase the amount of the game. Whether you play with $750 or $1,000 or more, the point of the game remains the same. If $500 is too much for you, pick a smaller number that works. The amount doesn’t matter. The point is to set a number for yourself that will get you back on track after overspending in the previous month. January is a great time to play the game.

    3. When I’m creating my budget categories, does my health club membership count as Now Money or Life Money?

    When I said I‘m not a fan of a rigid budgeting framework like 50-30-20, this question illustrates exactly why. Elizabeth Warren popularized 50-30-20 in her book, All Your Worth: The Ultimate Lifetime Money Plan, first published in 2005.

    In a 50-30-20 framework, you must choose what category to put your health club membership in. Same with every other borderline expenditure. What if you think working out should be Now Money, but it pushes you over 50%? OK, just move it to Life Money. Wait, now I’m over 30% in my Life Money. Why is this so hard?

    men and women biking in gym, spinning in health club, thinking about their money and their lives.

    Take it from me and my students who have attempted 50-30-20 budgeting, making these choices gets to be very frustrating. What is the point in agonizing over decisions like this?

    So, what should you do with your health club membership?

    It doesn’t matter! You saw in our really lost boy’s budget that I counted it as Now Money. Today, I’d actually probably count it as Life Money. How’s that for an answer!?

    Instead of agonizing, pick a category and leave it there. The whole purpose of our budget is to generate fuel for our Later Money. Whether that fuel comes from adjustments to Now Money or Life Money is irrelevant.

    In our Budget After Thinking, we’re not limiting ourselves by rigid frameworks and agonizing over spending categories. We’ve got better things to focus on, like creating more fuel for our dreams.

    4. Do I need to actively budget forever?

    Nope! I’m going to do a post soon on what I recommend for people that have done the budgeting thing for a while and have a pretty good idea what their spending is. If you’re at that point, and are relatively responsible, you won’t need to track your spending anymore.

    Let’s look at a quick example. Say you learned that your Budget After Thinking includes $1,000 of Later Money. That means each month, your top priority is to put that $1,000 of fuel towards your financial goals.

    In this plan, you’ll need a “cushion” in your checking account to make it work. In this example, let’s use $5,000 as our cushion. At the end of the month, after you’ve made your Later Money transfers out of your checking account, and you’ve paid all your bills and credit cards, you should have $5,000 left.

    If you have less than $5,000 left, compensate the next month by spending less so you get back to $5,000 at the end of month 2. If you’ve way overspent, that’s an indication you are not ready to stop budgeting.

    No matter what, don’t short your Later Money. Do the $500 challenge if you need to. If you have more than $5,000 left, transfer the surplus to your savings account so you can use the excess to cover budget busters or top off your checking account if you overspent a little the previous month. 

    This budgeting process is similar to zero-based budgeting, a concept that’s been around for a long time. I find this method takes almost all of the anxiety out of budgeting. The key is you just have to be disciplined enough that if you have less than $5,000 left at the end of month 1, you course correct in month 2 so you’re back on track. 

    5. I am thinking about either selling my condo or keeping it as a rental unit. What should I do?

    I’m a real estate investor, so my mind always goes first to keeping the condo as a longterm rental unit. Based on the question, it seems this reader is interested in real estate investing, too. If that’s true and your financial situation permits, I would consider keeping the condo as a rental unit.

    It could be a great way to see if you like being a landlord without putting time and resources into acquiring a different property. Best case scenario, you hold the condo for many years and it turns out to be a great investment. Worst case scenario, you sell it in a year or two if being a landlord isn’t your thing.

    Of course, there are so many factors that go into real estate investing. You need to do your homework first on whether your condo is a plausible rental unit. Leave a comment below or reach out on Instagram if you need some help deciding if your condo might be a good rental unit.

    6. What is Italian Beef?

    This person, I cannot help.

    Fortunately, there’s a current Emmy winning show out there about Chicago and Italian beef!

    Thanks for all the questions! Please keep them coming in the comments on any post, by responding to our newsletter, or on Instagram.

  • Personal Finance for Lawyers and Professionals

    Personal Finance for Lawyers and Professionals

    I founded Think and Talk Money after years of teaching personal finance for lawyers. 

    My purpose is to share these principles of personal finance for lawyers with all professionals striving for financial freedom.

    I like to think and talk about money. To help us achieve financial freedom, we can’t be embarrassed or afraid to talk about money with our friends and family.

    That’s why I’m on a mission to convince people that talking money is not taboo.

    I like thinking and talking about life and money.

    “If you want to get Matt talking, bring up life and money.”

    My wife knows me better than anyone. I like thinking and talking about life and money. That’s why I started teaching financial wellness to law students in 2021 and started this blog in 2024. But, I wasn’t always like that. 

    When I graduated law school in 2009, I never thought about money. Within a year, I had racked up $20,000 in credit card debt ($30,000 in today’s dollars), on top of my student loan debt. My salary at the time was $62,000. This was a problem. 

    How did that happen? Well, I wasn’t thinking about money. I certainly wasn’t talking about money. I later learned that I had made every money mistake in the book. Rented a fancy apartment I didn’t need? Check. Paid for Cubs season tickets I couldn’t afford? Check. Traveled coast-to-coast? Traveled overseas? Put it all on credit cards? Check. Check. Check.

    Woman taking out US dollar bills from her pocket wallet because she learned personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    It’s not that I intentionally decided to get into debt. I generally wanted to make good choices. I am a relatively smart human. You are, too. You’re reading a blog about financial wellness with the entire internet at your fingertips.

    Maybe you’re like me, and it hadn’t occurred to you that money was a thing you needed to think about. And to talk about. Preferably with people impacted by your money choices.

    I dedicated myself to learning about money.

    Since 2010, I’ve dedicated myself to learning about money and its role in crafting a healthy life. I read all the personal finance books. I listened to podcasts. I talked to people I trusted. I kept a money journal.

    Along the way, I started to make choices with my money that matched my values.

    15 years into learning, and now teaching personal finance for lawyers and professionals, here are a few things to know about me:

    I work for clients with mesothelioma, a cancer caused by asbestos.

    Since 2011, I’ve represented hundreds of people suffering from mesothelioma, a rare cancer caused by asbestos. Most of my clients are in their seventies and eighties. A significant part of my job since I’ve been in my twenties has been meeting with individuals in their homes after they had just found out they have incurable cancer.

    Before we ever get around to talking about the case, we inevitably end up talking about life. I do most of the listening. You can imagine what I’ve learned about life in these moments. Most of my core money beliefs have been shaped by these powerful experiences.

    I am a real estate investor and own rental properties in Chicago and Colorado.

    In 2018, my wife and I bought our first rental property in Chicago, a 4-flat in an up-and-coming neighborhood. We lived in one unit and rented out the other three.

    I’ll never forget riding my bike with my wife and a buddy, heading from the fancy part of the city where I had been living to my new home. I could tell my buddy was skeptical about my new neighborhood.

    Finally, he saw something he recognized and said, “Hey, nice! A spin studio!” He saw a sign that read “Cycle Spin.” It was a laundromat.

    A row of industrial washing machines in a public laundromat illustrating why it's important to learn personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    He wasn’t the only one who was probably thinking, “what is Matt doing?” Well, that 4-flat allowed my wife and I (and eventually two kids) to live for free for six years.

    See, the rent we collected covered our mortgage, insurance, taxes, maintenance, and then some. 

    With the money we saved, we bought our second rental property in 2019, a nearby 3-flat. In 2022, we purchased another Chicago 3-flat, where my family lived for about two years before moving to our permanent home. My tenants are doctors, lawyers, engineers, TV personalities, pilots, and other young professionals. 

    In 2021, we bought a rental condo in Colorado ski country. This had been a dream of mine hatched at The 1800 Club in Evanston during college.

    Back then, I amused my friends on many a ski trip by cartwheeling down the mountain as I learned to snowboard. To pay for flights and lift tickets, I took a couple part-time jobs in local offices. I told myself one day I would “Get that Mountain.”

    While my wife and I were contemplating life during the height of the pandemic, we determined that a ski condo fit perfectly with our desire to be with family, to be active, and to be outdoors as much as possible.

    I started a money journal in 2010.

    I started a money journal in 2010. It has been a lot of fun to look at as I launched my financial wellness course and as I’m writing this blog. I’ll refer back to these entries as I share my lessons about personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    Some entries are just scribbles while I worked through that month’s money question.

    Some entries go deep. My favorite: I wrote in 2011 that someday I was going to marry the girl I had been dating at that time for the past few months. That girl became my wife in 2017. 

    I encourage everyone to keep some sort of money journal. It doesn’t have to be a daily log or a detailed memoir. It will help you think. It will also reinforce the idea that we all need to think about money continuously.

    Some of the same challenges I had in my 20’s, are resurfacing today. I am more confident today because I can look back at how I  handled those obstacles back then.

    I have taught personal finance for lawyers since 2021.

    Since 2011, I’ve taught law students how to research, write, and communicate in the courtroom. We work on finding answers to difficult questions. Oftentimes, there are many possible answers, and we have to think and analyze which is the best for our situation. 

    I regularly have coffee with students who want to talk about what comes next after finishing school. I learned that, just like me in 2009, my students didn’t typically think or talk about money and life. They never considered learning about personal finance for lawyers.

    I wanted to help them avoid the money struggles that I had experienced at the beginning of my career.

    Male speaker giving presentation on personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    That’s why in 2021, I designed and launched a law school course focused on personal finance for lawyers. My goal with that course, and this website, is to help us all think about using money as a tool to build a life that conforms to our personal values.

    The point is not to get rich. Though, you will if that’s your goal and you follow along. The point is to live your life on purpose. Where you actively think and choose what happens next.

    Think about why money matters.

    The first step is to think about a simple and powerful question: why does money matter?

    For me and many others, money is about financial independence, which translates to the power to choose. When we have the power to choose, we have the power to live a life that conforms to our personal values. We can live on purpose, not on auto-pilot.

    We can choose to spend our working hours doing what is meaningful to us. We can choose to spend more time with the people that are meaningful to us. We can choose to use money as a tool to do what we want with our lives.

    My favorite part during my personal finance for lawyers class is when my students share their motivations with each other. We all learn so much from these honest conversations.

    It’s why I believe talking about money is so important. We all benefit from knowing that we’re not alone in our money worries. We can be inspired by hearing what our friends want from their money and their lives.

    If nothing else, I want you to think and talk about money.

    As a lawyer, I’ve been trained to build upon the work of those who have come before us. Think and Talk Money is my contribution to this essential field of personal finance, building upon what I was so grateful to learn. Not just from authors, but from all the people in my life who talk with me about life and money.

    In teaching personal finance for lawyers, I’ve learned that most of us are facing the same challenges. Maybe my voice and my experiences will resonate with you. Maybe not. And that’s ok.

    I will be honest about the mistakes I’ve made and the lessons I’ve learned. We’ll talk about motivation, habits, and fundamentals. We’ll talk about careers and goals. We’ll talk about investing in real estate and managing rental properties.

    I’ll share my thoughts on key news and developments. I don’t expect you to agree with everything I say. Not every post will be immediately helpful for you. That’s not my goal or even realistic. 

    Think just a little bit about money every week.

    My goal is to help you think even a little bit about your money choices every week. That way, your money life remains in balance with the rest of your life, and you can continually evolve and adapt your choices as your life changes.

    I want to encourage you to think, and to talk, and to choose. If all I do is help you and your loved ones think more purposefully about your money, this website will be a success. 

    Maybe your goal is also financial independence, or the power to choose. The power to live on purpose. Maybe it’s something else entirely. Whatever it is, discovering your motivation is the crucial first step. 

    It’s so important that I’ll encourage you to think about that motivation every day. I’ve learned that money is something that we all need to think about as a regular part of our lives. Not that we should only think about money. Or that we need to obsess over money. Simply that we can’t ignore money.

    How sad is it when we realize our hard earned money has just vanished? That at the end of each month, we have less money?

    You’re not alone. There are a lot of smart people who need somewhere to turn learn about money. Or, maybe just a reminder to actively think about their money.

    Most of us could use someone to talk to or something to read to help us learn about personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    I hope Think and Talk Money can be that place for you. I can’t, and won’t, tell you what to do with your money. It’s your life, after all. But, I will strive to help you think and talk with purpose about your money.

    Here we go.

    12 responses to “Personal Finance for Lawyers and Professionals”

    1. Bill Molander Avatar
      Bill Molander

      Well written, Matt! Best wishes to you in future endeavors.

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      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
        Matthew Adair

        Thank you, Bill!

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    2. Clarke Nobiletti Avatar
      Clarke Nobiletti

      Excited for the valuable advice!

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      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
        Matthew Adair

        Thank you, Clarke!

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    3. Laurie Avatar
      Laurie

      Hey, I think your ideas are very interesting. Thanks for your thoughts. Maybe keeping money journal is a good idea for me too. A fresh outlook and clean slate for starting out the new year makes sense too.

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      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
        Matthew Adair

        Great attitude, Laurie! Keep me posted on your money journal!

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    4. Jeffrey Tallis Avatar
      Jeffrey Tallis

      Smart young man! He listens to people! He takes what he hears and learns from it! Great stuff here! Your law students are lucky to have you as a money mentor!

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      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
        Matthew Adair

        Thank you, Jeff! Glad you enjoyed the first post!

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    5. Diana Avatar
      Diana

      This was a great read — thanks for sharing!

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      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
        Matthew Adair

        Thank you, Diana!

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    6. Nicholas Faklis Avatar
      Nicholas Faklis

      Matt What are your thoughts on index funds vs individual stocks ?

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      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
        Matthew Adair

        Great question! I invest in index funds and think that’s the best choice for many of us. We’ll have to revisit this topic in a future post. Stay tuned!

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