Tag: money mindset

  • Risk is the Cost to Invest

    Risk is the Cost to Invest

    Two young coworkers, Terry and Sally, start the same job at the same time making the same amount of money.

    While still many years away, Terry and Sally both know that they should invest early and often for retirement.

    They each decide to fund a retirement account with an initial contribution of $2,500. They are also dedicated to making contributions of $250 every month until they retire.

    Both plan to retire in 40 years while they’re in their 60s.

    There’s one major difference between Terry and Sally.

    They view risk differently.

    silhouette of man and woman under yellow sky illustrating the different investment paths of Terry and Sally.
    Photo by Eric Ward on Unsplash

    Terry doesn’t like risk.

    Terry doesn’t like risk. He wants to be able to sleep at night knowing that his hard-earned money is safe and sound in the bank. He can’t stand the idea of potentially losing money from one month to the next.

    When Terry wakes up in the morning, he likes to check his bank accounts while he drinks his coffee. He gets a jolt out of opening up his mobile banking app and seeing exactly how much money he has.

    In fact, at any given moment, Terry can tell you within a few hundred dollars what his net worth is.

    Because Terry doesn’t want to take any chances, he decides to stash all of his retirement savings in a savings account that earns an average annual return of 3%.

    Terry is lucky because this is a pretty generous return for a savings account based on historical savings account interest rates.

    Sally is more comfortable with reasonable risk.

    Sally is more comfortable with reasonable risk. Upon starting her career, Sally was aware that she had never learned basic personal finance skills. She was determined to put in a little bit of effort early on to set herself up for a prosperous future.

    She was a frequent reader of popular personal finance websites like Financial Samurai and Think and Talk Money.

    Sally even read JL Collins’ book on investing, The Simple Path to Wealth.

    Through the process of educating herself about personal finance, Sally started thinking about what she really wanted out of life. Since she was young and had just started her career, it wasn’t easy to come up with a good answer.

    Still, Sally knew that whatever she wanted to do in life, investing was an important part of her financial journey. If she wanted to create more time for herself down the road, she would need passive income from investments to sustain her.

    So, after doing her homework, Sally decided to invest her money in a low cost S&P 500 index fund.

    While she appreciated that there are no guarantees when it comes to investing, Sally knew that the S&P 500 has historically earned an average annual return of 10%.

    Unlike Terry, Sally only checked her accounts once per month when she tracked her net worth and savings rate. Sally slept fine at night because she knew time was on her side.

    Let’s see how Terry and Sally turned out 40 years later.

    Using a simple online calculator like the one at investor.gov, let’s see how much money Terry and Sally will have in their retirement accounts after 40 years.

    time steps on illustrating that the cost to invest is risk.
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    Terry’s retirement savings total $234,358.87.

    After 40 years, Terry will have contributed a total of $122,500.00 to his retirement savings account.

    At a 3% interest rate, Terry will have a total of $234,358.87 after 40 years.

    In other words, Terry has just about doubled the value of his total contributions in his account.

    Not bad, Terry.

    Now, let’s check out Sally’s account.

    Sally’s retirement savings total $1,440,925.81.

    Sally likewise contributed $122,500.00. After 40 years, at a 10% interest rate, Sally’s retirement account will have a total of $1,440,925.81.

    Wow, Sally!

    Sally’s retirement account is worth 10 times more than what she personally contributed. Terry failed to even double his account.

    Recall in our little hypothetical, Sally did the exact same things as Terry, with one key difference. Sally was more comfortable taking on reasonable risk.

    Because Sally was comfortable taking on some risk, her retirement savings were worth more than six times as much as Terry’s savings. She has over a million dollars more than what Terry has!

    Look at compound interest in action.

    One last thing: take a look at the pictures of Terry and Sally’s investments over time. Notice the gaps between each of their red and blue lines.

    While they each benefited from compound interest, Sally benefited exponentially more.

    Look at how Terry’s red line stayed much closer to his blue line. Because he wasn’t earning as much overall interest, he didn’t have as much money to multiply from compound interest.

    Sally’s red line mirrored her blue line closely for the first 12-15 years. Then, the gap widened before the red line skyrocketed over the final decade or so.

    That’s the power of compound interest kicking in.

    So, what can we learn from Terry and Sally?

    The point of this hypothetical is to introduce the concept of risk when it comes to investing.

    We’ve all heard the saying, “You don’t get something for nothing.”

    That motto applies to investing as much as anything else. There is always risk involved in investing.

    The question is how do you react to that risk.

    Some people are so fearful of that risk that they don’t invest at all, like our friend, Terry.

    Other people are so desperate to get rich quickly that they take wild risks.

    The people that tend to reach and sustain financial independence are the ones who educate themselves and become comfortable with taking on reasonable risk. This is what Sally did.

    In future posts, we’ll dive into the various ways you can reduce investment risk.

    At this point, knowing why you’re investing and taking on risk is a powerful first step. I was recently reminded of my Money Why when my baby girl was born.

    Think of risk as the cost to invest.

    If you want to reach true financial independence or any other financial goal, it’s going to cost you something.

    Think of risk as the cost to invest.

    Sure, there may be some people out there who are able to reach financial independence on a massive salary.

    For the rest of us, we’re going to have to get comfortable with investing.

    There’s a reason we spend so much time talking about our ultimate life goals. It’s important to embrace the reasons why you’re investing and why you’re opening yourself up to risk.

    It never hurts to remind yourself what you are hoping to achieve in the future.

    When you know what that thing is, it’s much easier to pay the cost of risk.

    When you look at Sally and Terry’s future outlook, who would you rather be?

    It’s not really a hard question, right?

    It’s not that Sally has a bigger bank account. What matters is that she has created options for herself.

    Sally should be in position to do whatever she wants.

    Terry probably can’t.

    • Are you naturally more inclined to act like Terry or Sally?
    • If you’re more like Terry, have you thought about what outcome in life would be worth taking on some reasonable risk?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Investing is Actually the Easy Part

    Investing is Actually the Easy Part

    Investing is a major part of leading a healthy financial life.

    It also should be the easiest part.

    Despite all the attention, news, and marketing, investing doesn’t have to be complicated.

    Investing simply means committing money now to earn a financial return later. This is why I refer to money I invest as Later Money.

    To be honest, the most difficult part of investing is continuously generating money to invest in the first place.

    The actual investing part is pretty easy.

    That’s because when you invest the right way, your money should earn more money without much additional effort from you.

    This is the best part about investing. Your money can (and should) grow over time without your active participation. This is why investment gains are often referred to as “passive income.”

    If you are on a journey towards financial independence, you know how important passive income is. The best way to get your time back is to earn money passively through investments while you’re off doing something else.

    We’ll soon learn why investing does not have to be complicated. If you can drown out the noise, all you’ll really need to do is regularly fund your investment accounts and watch your net worth slowly grow.

    This is when personal finance starts to get really fun.

    Investing is when personal finance starts getting really fun.

    When you’ve invested the right way, your wealth will slowly multiply. You won’t notice it at first. Trust me, give it time.

    You’ll soon see that all the effort you put into educating yourself about money was more than worth it.

    No, you won’t be immune from market swings like the one we’re in right now.

    But, you’ll be educated enough to not panic. You’ll know that time is on your side.

    Have you noticed that we’re now 50 posts in and have hardly talked about investing?

    There’s a reason we’ve hardly talked about investing in the first 50 posts of Think and Talk Money.

    In order to get the benefits of investing, you need to have the right money mindset. That means knowing why you’re investing in the first place. Without the right motivation, you will struggle to consistently fund your accounts.

    After all, when you invest, you are sacrificing money you could spend right now for the opportunity to spend even more later on. Without the right motivation, too many people put off, or give up on, investing altogether.

    When they do that, they have a little more money to spend today. But, years from now, they will wonder why they’re still working so hard and don’t see an end it sight.

    A morning yoga session peering into the jungle in Ubud, Bali demonstrating how investing does not have to be complicated, it just takes consistency and dedication.
    Photo by Jared Rice on Unsplash

    What is your motivation to invest?

    Your motivation may be to reach financial independence so you can pivot directions in life. This is known as FIPE (Financial Independence, Pivot Early).

    Your goal may be to pay for your kids’ college. One way to do that is to take advantage of 529 college savings plans.

    You may not know exactly what you want down the road. That’s OK, too. Whatever it is, investing now will make it easier to pursue whatever that thing ends up being.

    Once your mindset is in the right place, you’ll be more determined to craft a budget that consistently creates money to invest.

    Think about it: would you rather be someone who invests $1,000 one time or someone who invests $1,000 every month?

    If you practice solid personal finance fundamentals, you can be the person consistently investing to accomplish your ultimate life goals.

    Too many people think personal finance is only about investing.

    Too many people skip over the part where we learn strong personal finance habits. These people think that personal finance is only about investing. 

    Let’s play a game. Walk down the hall at your office and ask the first person you see what they know about personal finance.

    I’m guessing you’re going to get a response like:

    “Personal finance? Oh, yes. I need to learn that. I don’t know anything about the stock market.”

    If I’m right, leave a comment below. This should be fun.

    By the way, people that assume personal finance is only about investing are not bad people. They just haven’t been properly educated. Just like me when I set $93,000 on fire.

    By now, you know that personal finance is about so much more than investing. You know that you need to develop strong habits so you constantly have money to invest in the first place.

    And, you’ll soon learn that investing is really the easy part.

    When you learn basic investing principles, like minimizing fees and playing the long game, your money can slowly grow over time.

    As that happens, you move closer and closer to financial independence without much effort at all.

    It’s actually pretty easy.

    We’ll cover these basic principles in upcoming posts.

    One thing we won’t discuss at Think and Talk Money is the latest hot stock tip.

    If you want to study P/E ratios and company balance sheets in a quest for the best individual stocks, I won’t stop you.

    I just won’t be joining you.

    That’s because it’s very hard to pick winning stocks. Even the “experts” have a very hard time doing it consistently.

    You don’t believe me, do you?

    What if I told you that the vast majority of investment pros underperform the S&P 500?

    Check this out from Yahoo! Finance:

    Making matters worse is that the professionals, who the average investor might turn to for guidance, have poor track records. In the past decade, an alarming 85% of U.S.-based active fund managers underperformed the broader S&P 500. Those who invest in these funds are essentially paying for unsatisfactory results.

    If the “pros” can’t beat typical market returns that are available on the cheap for all of us… why even play that game?

    Why overcomplicate things?

    Sure, maybe you’ll get lucky and your investment pro is one of the few who can beat the market. Odds are that if your pro beat the market one year, he probably won’t the next year.

    If that’s your game, I wish you nothing but good fortune.

    Personally, I’d rather do things the easy way. I’d rather focus on what I can control, like how much money I’m contributing to my investment accounts each month.

    And, that brings us to an interesting point.

    Even if you are working with a professional, you are not excused from participating in your investment journey. You still need to understand the basics.

    Plus, while you may not be watching your portfolio closely, your job is always to make sure there is consistent money to be invested.

    My guess (or is it hope?) is that your advisor has told you as much.

    Investing is a major component of financial independence.

    Whether you are striving for financial independence, or hoping to maintain it, investing is a major component.

    To be a successful investor, you first need to practice strong financial habits.

    Don’t worry. If your mind is in the right place, the investing part is actually pretty easy.

  • FIPE not FIRE: Financial Independence, Pivot Early

    FIPE not FIRE: Financial Independence, Pivot Early

    We focus a lot on financial independence here at Think and Talk Money. That’s because achieving financial independence is the ultimate goal for most of us.

    To me, financial independence does not mean retiring.

    That’s why I don’t like the popular acronym, FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early.

    Instead, I I like to view my financial freedom journey as FIPE: Financial Independence, Pivot Early.

    Let me explain why I believe in FIPE not FIRE.

    FIPE = Financial Independence, Pivot Early

    Whatever it is that you truly want to do in life, financial independence makes it possible.

    When you have financial independence, you have options. You can make decisions based on your core values instead of making decisions based on money. You can pivot, if necessary.

    Financial independence is for people who want to be empowered to take more control of what they do with their working hours.

    It’s not about quitting work. It’s about the freedom to pivot to other work, if you want. I’m convinced that humans are meant to be productive. We are social creatures who at our core want to be contributing.

    That doesn’t mean we have to be or want to be employees. But, it does mean that we want to do something meaningful with our working hours every week.

    That’s why I believe in the power of pivoting, not retiring.

    Why I don’t like the name FIRE.

    Part of the misconception about financial independence may stem from the name of the popular personal finance concept known as FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early.

    It’s not uncommon for people to hear financial independence and immediately think that’s only for people who want to quit their jobs and retire. That’s how widespread FIRE has become in the personal finance space.

    I agree with so many of the principles of FIRE. I just don’t agree with the name.

    Financial independence is about much more than retiring early.

    FIRE emphasizes saving more and spending less until you reach the point where your passive investments generate enough income to allow you to quit your job.

    I love this part of FIRE: the idea of creating enough income streams so that you have the freedom to do what you want with your time. I share the primary goal of saving more money and spending less to achieve more life freedom.

    I call this Parachute Money. I like to view each income stream as a separate parachute string. The more parachute strings you have, the safer it is to make a big change in life.

    The problem for me is that the FIRE end game is suggested right there in the name: become financially independent so you can retire.

    I don’t like that part. I don’t like what the word “retire” implies.

    If you look it up, you’ll see that the word “retire“means to withdraw, to retreat, to recede.

    None of those things sound appealing to me at all.

    Each word implies moving backwards. I’m not working so hard to achieve financial freedom so I can move backwards in life.

    Fire burning on beach, depicting the FIRE movement: Financial Independence, Retire Early instead of FIPE: Financial Independence, Pivot Early.
    Photo by Benjamin DeYoung on Unsplash

    I prefer to think of financial independence in terms of creating options. I prefer to think of financial independence as a way to move forward in life.

    I think “pivot” better reflects that mission.

    Pivot means to adapt or improve through modifications and adjustments.

    That sounds so much more appealing to me.

    With FIPE, financial independence is still the primary goal. But, the endgame is not to withdraw or retreat. The endgame is to adapt and improve how you spend your working hours.

    FIPE = Financial Independence, Pivot Early.

    Granted, the name “FIPE” is not as catchy as FIRE.

    But, I think it actually better encapsulates the entire purpose of financial independence in the first place.

    To explain, let’s look back at the modern day origin of FIRE for a minute.

    Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez are often credited for laying the groundwork for the modern day FIRE movement. Robin and Dominguez wrote an incredible book called Your Money or Your Life.

    It’s one of my favorite personal finance books. You should definitely read it if financial independence is important to you.

    In their book, Robin and Dominguez have a lot to say about the relationship between money, work, and time. 

    Guess what?

    Most of us are doing it all wrong.

    Most of us make the mistake of chasing money at the cost of our precious time. When you read Your Money or Your Life, you will start to value your time for what it’s really worth.

    By making good choices about how to earn money- and as importantly what to do with that money- you can get the most out of your money and your life.

    That’s what FIRE is really all about. It’s about choosing to use your working hours in a way that is more meaningful to you than clocking in-and-out as an employee each day.

    It’s not about retiring from meaningful work. It’s about pivoting to work that is more meaningful to you.

    FIRE proponents would likely agree that the goal is not to withdraw or retreat.

    I think proponents of FIRE would actually agree with me that the end game is really not about withdrawing or retreating. The mission is always about moving forward, not backwards.

    My belief is that people who are disciplined and skilled enough to reach financial independence in the first place are the type of people who don’t retreat or withdraw.

    They may opt for periods of temporary retirement, as they should. But, I don’t think financially independent people are truly wired for full-time retirement.

    That’s why you see so many people who have obtained financial independence continue to pursue income streams.

    That might mean managing real estate investments, teaching others, or even starting a financial freedom blog.

    So, technically speaking, most people who have obtained financial independence have not actually retired. They haven’t withdrawn or retreated. Instead, they have pivoted.

    They are now spending their working hours doing other things. They may not be working full-time for an employer, but they’re still working.

    They’ve achieved financial independence and have earned the right to pivot.

    Financial Independence, Pivot Early.

    Even FIRE leaders would likely agree that the end game is not to completely retire.

    FIRE is not about retiring or quitting. It’s about pivoting to more meaningful life pursuits.

    I don’t want to speak for Robin, but I think this is what she was getting at.

    I also think this is what modern day FIRE leaders like Mr. Money Mustache and the Financial Samurai believe in. Not long ago, Financial Samurai actually wrote an excellent post called “Why Early Retirement / FIRE is Becoming Obsolete.”

    I just think the name FIRE doesn’t accurately portray the mission. Pivoting early seems more appropriate to me than retiring early.

    We all have the same goals in mind: financial independence. And, I believe we have the same end game in mind: pivoting to more meaningful work.

    That’s why I like FIPE instead of FIRE.

    Are you looking to retire early or simply to pivot?

    What is it that you’re aiming for by getting your personal finances in order? If you want to retire early, there’s nothing at all wrong with that. You may be at the point in your career and life where that makes sense.

    Personally, I’m not looking to retire early. That’s why I like to view financial independence as a chance to pivot.

    Pivoting doesn’t mean you have to switch jobs or change things up just for the sake of change. It just means that you have that option if you want it or need it.

    By the way, I’m not alone in viewing financial independence as a chance to pivot instead of retire.

    Scott Trench, CEO and President of BiggerPockets has been beating this drum for a while. He’s also talked about it on the BiggerPockets Money podcast.

    I’m in complete alignment with Trench. I like almost everything about FIRE, just not what the name implies. 

    With FIPE, the goal is not to retire. The goal is to give yourself the freedom to choose what to do next.

    Whether you want to retire early or just pivot to a new chapter in your life, being good with money is key.

    Do you like the name FIRE or FIPE?

    At the end of the day, whether you like to view it as FIRE or FIPE, the mission is the same. We are all looking for the freedom to choose what to do next.

    When striving for financial independence, the goal is to create options. Those options likely include pivoting to more meaningful work, rather than withdrawing or retreating.

    Personally, I think the name FIPE better encapsulates that mission.

    • Do you agree?
    • What name resonates more with you on your financial freedom journey?
    • Are you interested in retiring early or pivoting early?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • My Journey to Financial Freedom

    My Journey to Financial Freedom

    Financial freedom doesn’t happen overnight. I’ve been on my journey to financial freedom for more than a decade.

    I’m not there yet.

    Here’s a look at how my journey to financial freedom has progressed since I graduated law school in 2009.

    My journey to financial freedom began in my late-20s and was focused on eliminating debt.

    In my 20s, I needed to pay off credit card debt and student loan debt. All I knew about the journey to financial freedom back then was that it seemed very far away.

    I started budgeting, which meant reigning in my spending on things I didn’t really care about.

    I began to establish good money habits. It wasn’t easy, and I was far from perfect. That’s OK. The 80/20 rule reminds us that we don’t need to aim for perfection.

    By the way, my life didn’t all of a sudden become boring and miserable when I became more money conscious. Quite the opposite, actually.

    I became more confident in myself because I had a plan. I no longer felt like I was sliding backwards. With each paycheck, I moved one step closer to erasing my debt. That was a powerful feeling.

    In my early-30s, my journey to financial freedom was about fueling my savings.

    By the time I turned 30, I had paid off my credit card debt and my student loan debt. I’ll never forget the day I made my last student loan payment as my family and I were heading out to Colorado. A huge weight had been lifted from my shoulders.

    I felt free. My journey to financial freedom was still in the early stages, but I was on my way. Most importantly, I still had good habits and a plan.

    The byproduct of eliminating my debt was that I had more fuel to accomplish my other goals.

    Financial Freedom wooden sign with a beach on background, illustrating that my journey to financial freedom and the journey to financial freedom for lawyers and professionals does not happen over night.

    What other goals?

    The money I had been allocating to student loan and credit card debt could now be put towards more fun goals and experiences.

    Instead of aimlessly spending the thousands of dollars each month that had been going towards debt, I rolled that money directly into savings. Highest on my list was saving for an engagement ring.

    Within a year, I had enough saved to purchase the ring. I thought being free from debt was strong motivation. Turns out that motivation was nothing compared to the desire to buy a ring for the woman you love.

    As your career progresses and you earn more money, you will benefit from strong personal finance habits.

    As my career progressed, like many of you, I started earning more money. When I earned more, I did my best to use that additional income as fuel for my goals.

    I’m grateful I had previously learned strong personal finance habits on my journey to financial freedom when I earned relatively little.

    For most of us, our usual career progression is the exact opposite of the typical lottery winner. Who hasn’t heard the stories about the lottery winners that hit it big and then quickly go broke?

    These stories are unfortunately all too common. What starts out with so much elation usually ends in tragedy.

    The normal downfall involves unrestrained spending on things like houses, cars, and extravagant nights out. It also involves the pressure to give money away to family, friends, and charities.

    The same pattern has been well-documented for professional athletes who earn millions before quickly going broke.

    The challenge is the same for lottery winners and professional athletes. They come into a lot of money suddenly without any prior personal finance education. When this happens, that money disappears quickly.

    What can we learn from lottery winners and professional athletes?

    I think it’s safe to say that none of us are going to win the lottery or earn millions as a professional athlete. I hope I’m wrong about that!

    But, we can still fall victim to the same set of challenges on the journey to financial freedom. It may not be a sudden rise and then an equally sudden drop-off. Our financial growth presents itself more slowly.

    Over time, we may earn referrals/commissions, raises, and bonuses. These earnings certainly add up and can make a huge difference in our lives, if we have a plan. That’s a big “if” for most of us.

    I didn’t have the full plan figured out in my 20s. Our goals change as life changes. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    That said, because of the steps I took in my 20s to learn about personal finance, I was better prepared for the opportunities and challenges that arose in my 30s. I learned that when you create a solid foundation for yourself, you have options.

    To me, life is all about giving yourself options. Nobody likes feeling stuck, including me.

    In my mid-30s, my journey to financial freedom was about building wealth through real estate.

    Besides saving for an engagement ring and a wedding, I was able to save up for a downpayment on a home. At the time I started saving up for a home, I had no idea that I could use my savings to invest in real estate.

    It wasn’t until I went to a Cubs game with a good friend of mine, The Professor, that I learned about real estate investing.

    This is when my journey to financial freedom really accelerated.

    See, The Professor had a beautiful condo with an incredible rooftop deck near Wrigley Field. During the game, he told me he was selling the condo and moving into a 4-flat with his fiancee in an up-and-coming part of town.

    Huh?

    Why on earth would you give up your amazing condo? And move to a random neighborhood I’d maybe been to one time in my life?

    I thought The Professor had lost his mind. Back then, I had no idea what a 4-flat even was. I couldn’t even point to his new neighborhood on a map of Chicago.

    The Ivy at Wrigley Field illustrating when Matthew Adair accelerated his journey to financial freedom through real estate investing.

    The Professor set me straight.

    He walked me through the numbers. He explained that he was going from paying $3,000 per month for his condo to receiving $700 per month on top of living for free in the 4-flat. That’s a $3,700 difference per month!

    The Professor also introduced me to BiggerPockets. That was huge for me because I believe in the motto, “Trust but verify.”

    Over the next week, I read everything I could and listened to podcasts every day. It didn’t take long before I was convinced that I wanted a 4-flat of my own.

    Eight years later, I own three buildings and 10 apartments in that same Chicago neighborhood. I have a ski rental condo in Colorado.

    Without that great talk with The Professor, I don’t think I would be where I am today on my journey to financial freedom.

    Man I’m glad The Professor wasn’t afraid to talk money with me!

    He knew that taking about money is not taboo.

    We all need to position ourselves to benefit when luck comes our way.

    I was fortunate to have learned from The Professor’s experience. We all need some luck on the journey to financial freedom. I’m convinced that we’ll all catch a break here or there. The question is what we do with that luck when it comes our way.

    If I hadn’t taken the time to learn about personal finance in my 20s, I wouldn’t have been positioned to benefit from that conversation with The Professor.

    That’s why I say the journey to financial freedom doesn’t happen over night. It’s about one building block at a time.

    For any aspiring real estate investors out there, please take that message to heart. Before you can successfully invest in real estate, you have to invest in your own financial literacy.

    I’ve learned firsthand that the same principles that apply to personal finances apply to managing a real estate portfolio. Each pursuit takes a plan that only works with discipline and patience.

    In my late-30s, my journey to financial freedom was about paying off debt.

    In my late-30s, my journey to financial freedom pivoted from acquiring properties to optimizing my portfolio. My wife and I decided we were ready to transition from growing our real estate portfolio to paying off our debt.

    In a way, I’ve come full circle on my journey to financial freedom.

    We owe a lot of credit to Chad “Coach” Carson and his excellent book, Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor: How to Reach Financial Freedom with Fewer Rental Properties.

    Reading Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor helped us conclude that at this point in our lives, we have enough. Our portfolio generates enough income to help fuel our current goals. If we were to continue expanding, the headaches could end up outweighing the financial benefits.

    Progress is not linear, either. I’ve taken on debt in the form of mortgages and HELOCs to invest in more real estate.

    In the short term, that mortgage debt pulls me further away from financial freedom.

    If my plan works, that same debt will push me more rapidly to financial freedom.

    Financial freedom through real estate has existed for decades, if not centuries.

    By the way, I didn’t invent the plan of achieving financial freedom through real estate. That idea has existed for decades, if not centuries. I’d avoid anyone who tells you they pioneered this concept.

    Years ago, I remember sharing my newfound passion for real estate with mom. She had this smile on her face as I excitedly shared this “new” phenomenon of investing in real estate to achieve financial freedom.

    The next time I saw her, I realized her smile was actually more of a smirk.

    She handed me a book called How You Can Become Financially Independent by Investing in Real Estate.

    It was written by Albert J. Lowry, Ph. D.

    In 1977!

    Picture of a financial independence book showing that my journey to financial freedom through real estate is a concept that has existed for decades.

    Financial Freedom doesn’t happen over night.

    It’s natural to want to jump to the finish line. I’m guilty of that, too. I think about achieving financial freedom every day and need to remind myself to take it one step at a time.

    Even with all I’ve learned about personal finance, it can sometimes feel like I’m heading in the wrong direction.

    Wherever you currently are on your journey to financial freedom, remember that it doesn’t happen over night. I need to constantly remind myself to stay the course.

    Keep coming back to Think and Talk Money for daily reminders that financial freedom is within all of our grasps.

  • What is Your Money Why?

    What is Your Money Why?

    What is your Money Why?

    I had the happiest occasion to think about that question this past week.

    My wife and I welcomed our third child, a little baby girl.

    We were very fortunate and had a smooth delivery process.

    Even so, when you’re in the delivery room, your mind runs wild. You just want everything to go well. It’s completely out of your hands by that point.

    Things get really interesting when you’ve been at the hospital for a while and haven’t slept. There’s no telling where your mind will go.

    No matter how much you tell yourself not to do it, you can’t help but think of all that can go wrong.

    During these moments, I can assure you that one thing you’re not thinking about is money. If anything, you’re thinking that you would trade all the money you have for a healthy baby and a healthy mom.

    I guarantee you won’t be thinking about free falling markets. You’re not thinking about setting up a 529 college savings plan, either.

    When you finally hold your new baby, nothing else in the world matters. Everything around you goes quiet. The sense of relief is overwhelming and you cry.

    It’s a beautiful thing.

    In those first few moments, I told my baby girl that I love her. I promised that I will always protect her. Whatever she needs, I will be there.

    If I want to keep that promise, I need to be good with money.

    To be good with money, I need a powerful Money Why.

    Matthew Adair, founder of Think and Talk Money, holding his baby girl and remembering why he wants to be good with money.

    What is my Money Why?

    I’ve known my Money Why since I wrote down my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom on a beach in 2017. My number one Tiara Goal for Financial Freedom is to be with my wife and kids as much as I want.

    I wrote down that goal before I was even married or had kids.

    Years later, my Money Why hasn’t changed. The only thing that’s changed is my Money Why has gotten stronger and stronger since then.

    • In 2017, my Money Why got stronger when I got married.
    • In 2020, my Money Why got stronger when my daughter was born.
    • In 2022, my Money Why got stronger when my son was born.
    • This week, my Money Why got stronger when my baby girl was born.

    My Money Why has never been more clear. It doesn’t even matter if my brain is functioning at half speed right now on limited sleep.

    My Money Why is my baby girl, my son, and my daughter. My Money Why is my wife.

    Of course, I want to provide for my family financially.

    But my Money Why is more than that.

    I don’t want to just provide money, I want to provide time. I want to be present and share experiences.

    I want to be with them.

    My overall goal in life is to spend as much time as possible with the people who are meaningful to me. To accomplish that goal, I need to be good with money.

    If I’m good with my money, I can achieve financial freedom.

    With financial freedom, I can choose how to spend my time. That means I can choose who to spend my time with.

    My Money Why is not about being rich.

    Saying that I want to be good with money is not the same thing as saying that I want to be rich. Funny enough, people that are good with money oftentimes feel rich regardless of what their net worth is.

    As nicely put by Sam Dogen, founder of Financial Samurai, one of the preeminent personal finance blogs:

    But I’ve noticed on my path to financial freedom there were several times when I felt incredibly rich and money wasn’t the dominant reason.

    I couldn’t agree more with Dogen. There’s no richer feeling than having just come home from the hospital with a healthy baby girl. That feeling has nothing to do with money.

    Check out more from Dogen at his website financialsamurai.com. There’s a reason why he is one of the leading voices in the personal finance space.

    Simply making a lot of money will not make you feel rich.

    On the flip side, people that make a lot of money but are not good with money often feel like they’re struggling to get by. As CNBC explained after talking with financial psychologists:

    Whether you’re aiming to save more cash or boost your overall earnings, it’s important to ask yourself what you hope to achieve by obtaining more money, Chaffin says. Otherwise, if you don’t change your internal money beliefs, you may still feel anxious about money even if you hit millionaire status.

    The takeaway is that it is pointless to make money without stopping to think why you want that money and what you’re going to do with it.

    If you’ve never thought about money that way before, here are three three powerful reasons to get you started:

    1. Money can give you choices.
    2. Money can give you personal power.
    3. Money can give you time.

    Money is nothing but a tool that you can manipulate to get what you truly want out of life. The thing is, you have to actually think about what you want if you are going to use that tool effectively.

    Don’t wait for a major life event to start thinking about money.

    You don’t have to wait until you have a baby to start thinking about what money can do for you. In fact, if you wait for a major life event like that, it’s going to be a lot harder than if you start thinking now.

    Ask yourself:

    “What is my Money Why?”

    Whatever comes to mind, write it down.

    Maybe you want to retire early. Maybe you’re just looking for a life pivot, as Scott Trench, CEO and President of BiggerPockets wrote about recently and has regularly discussed on the BiggerPockets Money podcast.

    I personally agree with Trench. I like almost everything about FIRE, which stands for Financially Independent Retire Early. I just know that retiring early is not for me.

    I prefer to think of it as FIPE:

    Financially Independent Pivot Early

    With FIPE, the goal is not to retire. The goal is to give yourself the freedom to choose what to do next.

    Whether you want to retire early or just pivot to a new chapter in your life, being good with money is key.

    Besides, I’ve never seen the point in working endless hours to make money, while spending hardly any time seriously thinking about how to keep that money.

    What’s your Money Why?

    My Money Why gets clearer by the day. It has never been more clear than it is right now after bringing home a little baby girl.

    • What is your Money Why?
    • Has your Money Why changed over time?
    • How does your Money Why impact your relationship with money?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • 10 Student Loan Tips for Lawyers and Professionals

    10 Student Loan Tips for Lawyers and Professionals

    Student loans are…heavy.

    That’s it.

    They’re. Just. Heavy.

    They’re a weight that we carry around long before we even make the first repayment. Sometimes that weight feels so heavy, it’s hard to imagine it ever going away.

    And as much as we wish we could, we can’t ignore our student loans.

    One way or the other, we have to get rid of them.

    And when we do get rid of them for good, there might not be a better personal finance feeling in the world. Personally, I’ll never forget the day I made my last payment and shared the news with my future wife and family.

    To help you have that same feeling of accomplishment, here are my top 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals.

    Top 10 Student Loan Tips for Lawyers and Professionals

    1. Locate all your loans.
    2. Sign up for automatic payments.
    3. Do not miss a payment.
    4. Consider using Debt Snowball or Debt Avalanche.
    5. Make an extra monthly payment.
    6. Create a BAT that generates fuel for your student loans.
    7. Make more money and use that money for your loans.
    8. Take a tax deduction and use your tax refund for your loans.
    9. Consider a loan consolidation.
    10. Look for ongoing scholarship opportunities.

    1. Locate all your loans.

    As a first step, be sure that you are aware of all of your loans. Most people end up needing both federal loans and private loans, which are not tracked by the same loan servicers.

    Additionally, you may have taken out different types of loans at different stages of your education. It’s not uncommon to forget about some of those loans.

    Before you can implement a thoughtful strategy to pay back your loans, you need to ensure that all of your loans are accounted for.

    The best place to locate all of your loans is on your credit report. The next best option is to ask your school’s financial aid office.

    A credit report is a document that tracks your history of repayment and the current status of any loans you’ve taken out.

    You are entitled to receive a free copy of your credit report from each of the three main credit reporting agencies every year. To do so, simply visit annualcreditreport.com.

    For federal loans, you can also check online at studentaid.gov. But, your private loans won’t be tracked by the federal government at studentaid.gov.

    Besides checking your credit report, you can access all your private loan information from your loan servicer.

    Once you’ve identified all your loans, you can implement a strategy to pay them off efficiently.

    2. Sign up for automatic payments.

    By signing up for auto pay, you can save .25% interest on your federal loans. Many private loan companies also offer a .25% discount for using auto pay.

    Over time, those savings will add up. And, there’s really no downside to you.

    In fact, you should be using automatic payments even if your loan servicer does not offer a discount.

    When it comes to paying back loans or achieving any other financial goal, automating your money is a very good idea. In The Automatic Millionaire, David Bach thoughtfully explains how the single step of automating your finances can help you achieve all of your financial goals.

    You can learn more about Bach’s philosophy on his website.

    I personally implement many of Bach’s strategies in my own life. I used to automate my student loans payments. Now, I automate my mortgage payments. 

    The Automatic Millionaire is definitely worth a read.

    3. Do not miss a loan payment.

    You know that expression, “Act now, apologize later”?

    That absolutely does NOT apply to loan payments.

    No matter how responsible or well-intentioned you are, sometimes life happens. Whether it’s technically your fault or not, a missed loan payment is a big problem.

    It may seem unfair, but even a single missed payment can severely impact your credit history and credit score.

    Pieces of wood with message fair and unfair on wooden background illustrating one of the 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals is to not miss a payment.

    Because the consequences of a missed payment are so severe, this is another reason why setting up auto payments is such a good idea.

    If you know ahead of time that you won’t be able to make a payment, it is imperative that you notify your loan servicer ahead of time. Your loan servicer may be able to work with you and figure out a solution before major consequences set in.

    4. Consider using Debt Snowball or Debt Avalanche to pay off your student loans.

    When you apply the Debt Snowball strategy, the idea is to focus on the loan with the smallest balance first, regardless of interest rate.

    Once you have paid off the first loan in full, you move to the loan with the next smallest balance, again regardless of interest rate. The money you had been paying to the first loan can now be rolled into the second loan.

    When you apply the Debt Avalanche strategy, the idea is to prioritize the loan with the highest interest rate, regardless of the balance.

    Once you’ve paid off the loan with the highest interest rate, you move to the loan with the next highest interest rate. Just as before, the money you had been paying to the first loan can now be applied to the second loan.

    Either approach works perfectly for paying off multiple student loan balances. Regardless of which method you choose, always pay the minimum required amount on all loans every month.

    For more on the pros and cons of each method, check out our deep dive on Debt Snowball v. Debt Avalanche.

    5. Make an extra monthly payment for massive savings.

    You may be surprised how big of an impact even a small additional payment each month can have on your loans.

    Let’s look at an example.

    Let’s say you owe $100,000 in student loans and currently pay back $1,250 per month with an 8% interest rate.

    Using calculator.net, you learn that at this pace, it will take you 9 years and 7 months to pay off your loans. You’ll pay back a total of $143,377.94.

    Student loan calculator illustration showing the power of one additional monthly payment as part of Think and Talk Money's 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals.

    Now, let’s imagine you are able to pay back an additional $100 per month.

    Look what happens:

    Student loan calculator showing the power of one additional $100 monthly payment as part of Think and Talk Money's 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals.

    You can eliminate your loans an entire year sooner and save $5,040.13 in interest payments. Just with an extra $100 per month!

    What about if you are able to pay back an extra $250 per month?

    This is when I start to get excited.

    Check this out:

    Student loan illustration showing the power of an additional $250 monthly payment as part of Think and Talk Money's 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals.

    For just $250 per month, you can knock off 2 years and 2 months of loan repayments and save $10,684.35 in interest!

    Think about how good it will feel to get 2 years and 2 months of your life back without loan payments.

    How are you supposed to come up with an extra $100, $250, or more per month?

    I’m glad you asked.

    6. Create a Budget After Thinking that generates fuel for your student loans.

    If you want to pay off your student loans faster, you really only have two options.

    The first option is to create a Budget After Thinking that prioritizes loan repayment. One of the key purposes of budgeting is to generate fuel for your future goals, including eliminating student loan debt.

    Instead of letting your hard-earned dollars disappear, put them to good use. Even $100 a month can make a big difference, as we just saw.

    If you’re having a hard time generating additional fuel for your student loans, check out my 10 Tips to Win the Budget Game.

    So, the first option to pay off your loans faster is to create a budget and spend less money elsewhere.

    What’s the second option?

    7. Make more money and put those extra earnings directly to your loans.

    If you’re not going to cut spending in favor of student loan repayment, then your only other option is to make more money.

    That might mean getting a valuable side hustle. Or, it might mean earning a raise or a bonus at your primary job.

    Whatever the case may be, as you make more money, focus on improving your savings rate.

    Financial bills and adhesive note with text - Side hustle showing one of the 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals is to get a side hustle.

    Your savings rate is simply the amount of money you save each month divided by the amount of money you make.

    Even though it’s called “savings rate,” there’s no reason why you can’t include debt repayment in your calculations. Whether you are adding money to a savings account or eliminating debt, your net worth improves.

    It all counts in my book.

    The point is that when you start to earn more money, put that money to good use.

    Instead of shopping at more expensive stores or eating at fancier restaurants, keep your spending habits the same. Put those higher earnings towards your important life goals, like eliminating student loan debt.

    8. Take a tax deduction and use your tax refund for your loans.

    The IRS permits borrowers, up to certain income limits, to take a federal tax deduction up to $2,500 per year for student loan interest payments. That means that you can reduce your taxable income by up to $2,500 per year based on the interest you paid that year.

    The actual amount of money you’ll save with this tax deduction depends on variables like your tax bracket. Check with your accountant or tax professional for specifics.

    Regardless, as we’ve seen above, even a small amount of extra money can go a long way if used for additional student loan debt payments.

    In the same vein, what if you made it a goal to apply your entire tax refund to your student loan debt?

    Let’s return briefly to our example above.

    This time, let’s assume that each year, you receive a tax refund of $1,700. Instead of wasting that $1,700 annually on things you don’t care about, you decide to put that money directly towards your student loans.

    Look what happens when you apply that $1,700 tax refund to your student loans each year, without making any additional payments whatsoever:

    Student loan illustration showing the power of an annual $1,700 payment as part of Think and Talk Money's 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professionals.

    With just that one decision to use your annual tax refund for student loan payments, you knock off 1 year and 4 months of payments and save $6,099.26!

    That seems like a great use of money that you’ll never miss anyways.

    9. Consider a loan consolidation.

    Consolidating your various loans into a single loan can help make your life easier and save you money.

    Your life should get easier when you only have to track and pay one loan back each month. There’s also a much smaller chance that you forget to make a payment or lose track of a loan altogether.

    Besides the convenience, when you consolidate, you should receive an overall lower interest rate. That means long-term savings.

    Before you consider a loan consolidation, be sure to do your homework. One major consideration is that you will lose whatever federal loan benefits you currently have if you consolidate, such as the possibility for loan forgiveness.

    10. If you’re still in school, look for ongoing scholarship opportunities.

    This is something that didn’t occur to me until my final year of law school. It took me that long to realize that schools regularly offer scholarships, stipends, and grants to current students, not just prospective students.

    During my third year of law school, I applied for a scholarship and was awarded $2,000. I didn’t think of it at the time, but looking back, I could have used that $2,000 to prepay my student loan interest.

    That would have accelerated my progress towards eliminating my loans while I was still in school.

    This is a good time to point out that personal finance requires consistent attention. You don’t have to think and talk about money every day. Not even I want to do that.

    But, you do have to intentionally make your personal finances a regular part of your life.

    Let’s revisit our example once more.

    Sorry, I can’t help myself.

    What if you combined some of the 10 tips we just talked about?

    Let’s say you decide to make an extra $250 monthly payment, contribute your $1,700 tax refund annually, and make a one-time payment of $2,000 for a scholarship you earned while finishing up school.

    Let’s take one more look at calculator.net:

    With just three relatively painless decisions, you can knock off 3 years and 1 month of student loan payments! And, you’ll save $15,481.76!

    Think about what you could do with an extra 3 years and 1 month of your life without student loan payments.

    You can now use that $1,500 per month you had been using for student loans on other goals. Not to mention what you could do with your annual tax refund.

    On top of that, think about what you could do with that $15,481.76 you saved in interest payments.

    Decisions like these are how financial freedom happens.

    That’s powerful stuff.

    What are your favorite student loan repayment strategies?

    To recap my top 10 student loan tips for lawyers and professions:

    1. Locate all your loans.
    2. Sign up for automatic payments.
    3. Do not miss a payment.
    4. Consider using Debt Snowball or Debt Avalanche.
    5. Make an extra monthly payment.
    6. Create a BAT that generates fuel for your student loans.
    7. Make more money and use that money for your loans.
    8. Take a tax deduction and use your tax refund for your loans.
    9. Consider a loan consolidation.
    10. Look for ongoing scholarship opportunities.
    • Have you applied any of these strategies?
    • What am I leaving out that has worked for you?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Money Questions: Markets in Free Fall

    Money Questions: Markets in Free Fall

    A reader reached out late last week and asked, “What do you do when the markets are in free fall?”

    It’s a question that really captures the intersection between money and emotions.

    I’m not an investment advisor, but I’m happy to share what I’m currently doing as the markets drop. Your personal situation may be different than mine so be sure to check with your investment advisor.

    Before we jump in, here’s a recap from Yahoo! Finance about how significant the drop was last week:

    US stocks cratered on Friday with the Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) plunging more than 2,200 points after China stoked trade-war fears and Fed Chair Jerome Powell warned of higher inflation and slower growth stemming from tariffs.

    The Dow pulled back 5.5% to enter into correction territory. Meanwhile, the S&P 500 (^GSPC) sank nearly 6%, as the broad-based benchmark capped its worst week since 2020. The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite (^IXIC) dropped 5.8% to close in bear market territory.

    The major averages added to Thursday’s $2.5 trillion wipeout after China said it will impose additional tariffs of 34% on all US products from April 10 — matching the extra 34% duties imposed by Trump on Wednesday.

    My hyper-technical analysis: that’s not good.

    Read on to see how I’m handling the market drop, how The Simple Path to Wealth helped shape my personal investing strategy, and how Die with Zero changed my perspective on how much to save for retirement.

    Let’s dive in.

    So, what am I doing with my portfolio right now while markets are falling?

    Despite how bad it seems, this is not a difficult question for me to answer.

    I’m not doing anything.

    I invest in the stock market to help achieve my long-term goals. My two main long-term goals are to save for college and to save for retirement.

    Each objective is so far away that time is on my side.

    man puts fingers down in lake kayaking against backdrop of golden sunset, unity harmony nature illustrating staying calm when markets are in free fall.

    My oldest child is five-years-old. I have 13-14 years until she even begins college. We make regular contributions to a 529 college savings plan to pay for her education. We fully anticipate that the market is going to go up and down over these next 13-14 years.

    As for retirement, I’ve still got decades in front of me. Same as what we just talked about with saving for college, I fully expect the market is going to go up and down many times before I retire.

    Make no mistake, I don’t enjoy seeing my portfolio drop so suddenly.

    Like everyone else, I don’t enjoy seeing my portfolio drop suddenly.

    It’s not fun to read the headlines right now. My brain seems to jump to the worst case scenario. Maybe you do the same thing. It’s nice to have someone to talk to about it. Misery loves company, right?

    This is one of the reasons why I only look at my portfolio once per month when I track my net worth.

    To remind myself to hold steady during the down times, I think of a study that examined what would happen if an investor missed the 10 best days for the market in each decade since 1930.

    As summed up by CNBC:

    Looking at data going back to 1930, the firm found that if an investor missed the S&P 500′s 10 best days each decade, the total return would stand at 28%. If, on the other hand, the investor held steady through the ups and downs, the return would have been 17,715%.

    These results illustrate how risky it would be for me to try to time the market. The last thing I want to do is miss the upswing. I have no idea when it’s coming.

    But, time is on my side.

    I’m going to do my best to be in the market when that upswing eventually comes.

    And, I am confident that upswing will come. It may not be until years from now. That works for me and my investment horizon.

    One other mental hack that’s helping me right now:

    I’m telling myself that the market is on sale right now. How so? I can buy the exact same stocks today for less money than they would have cost even a few days ago. I do love a good sale.

    In the end, no matter how bad things seem right now, I plan to continue making regular contributions to each of my investment accounts.

    Since I’m investing for the long run, I’ll let the market do its thing while I’m off doing my own things.

    Disclaimer: Your situation may be different. I am not an investment advisor. Do your homework and make the best decisions for your personal situation.

    What is my personal investing strategy?

    My personal investing strategy is largely based off of J.L. Collins’ exceptional book The Simple Path to Wealth. If you want a complete and easy to understand guide on all things investing, check out The Simple Path to Wealth.

    You can read my full review of The Simple Path to Wealth in my post here.

    If nothing else, it’s crucial to educate yourself so you can make informed decisions, especially in times of economic uncertainty like we’re in right now.

    The Simple Path to Wealth is a great place to start when it comes to investing in the markets.

    As Collins explains, benign neglect of your finances is never the solution. ReadThe Simple Path to Wealth and check out Collins’ website for a gold mine of information when it comes to personal finances and investments.

    So, what is my personal investing strategy?

    When it comes to investing in the markets, I’m about as boring as can be.

    My wife and I invest primarily in index funds.

    What is an index fund?

    As explained by Vanguard:

    An index mutual fund or ETF (exchange-traded fund) tracks the performance of a specific market benchmark—or “index,” like the popular S&P 500 Index—as closely as possible. That’s why you may hear people refer to indexing as a “passive” investment strategy.

    Instead of hand-selecting which stocks or bonds the fund will hold, the fund’s manager buys all (or a representative sample) of the stocks or bonds in the index it tracks.

    Why index funds?

    The simplest way to answer that one is to direct you to the single greatest investor of our lifetimes, if not ever: Warren Buffett.

    In 2013, Buffett famously instructed that after he dies, his wife’s cash should be split 10% in short-term government bonds and “90% in a very low-cost S&P 500 index fund.”

    Good enough for Buffett, good enough for me.

    For more on index fund investing, check out our full series on investing or read The Simple Path to Wealth.

    To sum it all up, my wife and I are not active traders. We don’t seek out the newest, hottest stocks.

    We’re pretty boring, actually.

    We simply make regular contributions to our various investment accounts and let the markets take care of the rest.

    As an example, for my daughter’s 529 plan, we chose a passive investment option that’s a mix of stock index funds and bond index funds.

    Our portfolio automatically rebalances over time based on my daughter’s projected first year of college. Essentially, the closer we get to her first year in school, the more conservative our portfolio becomes.

    We chose a similar option for our son’s 529 plan.

    One other note for context: Keep in mind that my wife and I are real estate investors. We own five properties and 11 total rental units. Our real estate investments comprise a major part of our overall net worth.

    How much money do I put towards each of your financial goals?

    Between saving for emergencies, saving for college, and saving for retirement, there are a lot of options. In addition, you may have other short term goals, like paying for a wedding or a house. Or, you may want to invest in real estate.

    So, how do you determine how much to allocate to each goal?

    There’s no perfect answer here.

    The first thing you can do is to spend some quality time formulating your version of Tiara Goals for financial freedom.

    Then, let those goals inspire conversations with your people to help you make the best decisions. This is exactly how my wife and I came up with our financial goals for this year.

    It also helps to attach specific targets to your financial goals, like we did when we estimated how much you should be saving to pay for college.

    I went through a similar exercise with my retirement savings after reading Die with Zero by Bill Perkins.

    Woman thoughtful about work at home office desk laptop wondering whether she is saving too much for retirement.

    As crazy as it sounds, are you saving too much for retirement?

    In Die with Zero, Perkins suggests that many of us are saving too much for retirement at the expense of using that money to live our best lives now.

    It’s one of the most compelling personal finance books I’ve read in a long time, and I highly recommend it. You can also learn more about Perkins and his journey on his socials.

    Perkins is not suggesting that saving for retirement isn’t important. He’s saying that the hard data shows that most of us are over-saving.

    When I read Die with Zero, I used an online calculator to estimate my projected retirement savings. As Perkins would have expected, at our then savings rate, my wife and I risked over-saving for retirement.

    With that realization, I made some adjustments and am now paying down HELOC debt at a faster rate.

    How much should you save for retirement?

    There’s no way to fairly answer this question. Spend enough time on the internet, and you’ll get many different answers. There are just too many variables in play, like what kind of retirement you want and when you want to retire.

    Perkins points out in Die with Zero that most of the advice out there encourages people to save too much money. You might agree or you might not.

    I encourage you to read Die with Zero and make that determination for yourself.

    At the end of the day, whether it’s saving for retirement or other major life goals, the most important thing is that you are consistently generating money fuel for your life.

    Don’t stress yourself out by worrying about the perfect amount to save towards each goal.

    Are you talking about your money mindset these days?

    It’s never been more important to talk to your friends and family about your money mindset. You don’t have to talk numbers to help each other during uncertain times.

    • Are you talking to your people about your money mindset?
    • What types of conversations are you having to help get through these times of uncertainty?
    • Would you recommend any books or articles that have helped you in the past?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • 529 Plans for Sky High College Costs

    529 Plans for Sky High College Costs

    My five-year-old has already decided that she’s not going to college.

    She doesn’t want to sleep there, she says. Instead, her plan is to move in with her aunt.

    At least that’s one kid I don’t have to worry about when it comes to paying for college.

    In case your five-year-old hasn’t already decided her future, read on to learn about 529 educational savings plans, one of the best ways to pay for college.

    My students are already worried about paying for college for their unborn children.

    Whenever I teach personal finance to law students, we take some time to at the beginning of class to discuss what each of us would do with financial freedom.

    This is always my favorite part of class.

    Over the years, I’ve had students who want to travel the world, start businesses, pursue hobbies, and take care of aging parents.

    I’ll never forget the student who wants to coach high school football after working as a lawyer. Or, the student who simply wants the time to exercise every day. As she put it, “look good, feel good.”

    Of all the goals I’ve heard, there is one that comes up more than any other: paying for their children’s education.

    A lot of times, I hear this goal from students who don’t even have kids yet. I think that shows how important education is for many people. It also shows how worrisome it is to think about paying for college.

    What’s troubling is that my students typically have their own student loans to pay back. And, before they’ve even started their careers, they’re thinking about paying for the education of their unborn children.

    That’s intense. But, understandable.

    Some students share that they want to pay for their children’s college because they benefitted from their parents paying for college. These students were grateful for the opportunities their parents gave them.

    For other students, they want to pay for their children’s college because their parents did not pay for their college. They want to help their children avoid student loan debt as they begin their careers.

    For most people, saving for college is a top priority.

    According to a recent study by Fidelity, 74% of parents say they are currently saving for college.

    77% of parents think that the value of a college education is worth the cost.

    At a time when there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding student loans, it’s never been more important to have a plan to pay for your kid’s education.

    One of the best ways to do that is with a 529 college savings plan.

    In today’s post, we’ll discuss the major advantages of 529 plans. We’ll also learn how you can estimate the cost of college for your child so you can figure out how much you should be saving today.

    Be warned, the numbers are scary.

    What is a 529 college savings plan?

    529 college savings plans are state-sponsored, tax-advantaged investment accounts. The name stems from Section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code.

    While there are certainly other ways to save for college, 529 plans are hard to beat.

    The reason 529 plans are such a great way to save for college is because you receive triple tax benefits:

    1. Most states offer tax breaks on contributions to its residents for participating in the in-state plan. For example, as Illinois residents, my wife and I can deduct up to $20,000 in contributions to the Illinois-sponsored 529 plan from our state income each year.
    2. Your investment earnings grow tax-deferred, meaning your investments will benefit from tax-free compound interest. That means your savings will grow faster without being hindered by taxes.
    3. Investment earnings are 100% free from both federal and state taxes when used for eligible education expenses. Eligible education expenses include things like tuition, room and board, books, computers and other standard costs associated with college.

    An investment opportunity with triple tax benefits like this is almost unheard of.

    How do 529 plans work?

    In basic terms, 529 plans are investment vehicles designed to grow your contributions and make paying for college easier. When you invest in a 529 plan, you are generally investing in some combination of stocks and bonds.

    That means there is risk involved, just like with any other investment.

    Once you open your 529 account, you will choose how to invest your contributions. In this sense, 529 plans are similar to a 401(k) plan offered by your employer.

    Like with your 401(k) at work, a 529 plan will typically provide you different investment choices within the plan. You can choose how aggressive or conservative you want to be with your investments.

    The investment options will vary depending on which state’s 529 plan you choose.

    Every state offers a 529 plan.

    Every state offers a 529 plan. You don’t have to be a resident of that state to use its plan. You also don’t have to use your 529 savings for a school located within that state.

    Regardless of what plan you choose, the federal tax incentive remains the same. Money invested in 529 plans grows tax free. That means no federal taxes on your 529 earnings as long as the money is used for qualified educational expenses.

    While you also won’t have to pay state tax on earnings (same as federal), there are some additional state tax implications to be aware of.

    These state tax benefits are a bit more complicated because they vary state-to-state.

    Blue USA map with borders of the states and names on grunge background illustrating that each state offers a different 529 college savings plan.

    Remember, there is no federal tax benefit when you make your original contributions. But, most states do offer its residents a tax break on their original contributions for investing in-state.

    Morningstar has a detailed breakdown of which states offer additional tax benefits to its own residents.

    If your state offers tax benefits to invest in-state, that’s usually a good reason to choose your in-state plan.

    My wife and I use Illinois’ 529 plan, called Bright Start 529, for the added tax benefits we receive as Illinois residents.

    Besides the state tax benefits, keep in mind that not all 529 plans are created equal. 529 plans may offer different investment options or charge different fees. States may also provide different level of oversight, which may be important to protect your investments.

    You should always do your homework before choosing a plan to find one that matches your goals.

    I’ve found Morningstar’s rankings and analysis of each state’s plan to be the most helpful tool. According to Morningstar’s most recent rankings, the top 529 plans are offered by:

    1. Alaska
    2. Illinois
    3. Massachusetts
    4. Pennsylvania
    5. Utah

    To recap, when choosing which 529 plan to participate in, pay attention to what investment options are available within that plan. Also, look to see if you will qualify for additional state tax benefits.

    How much can I contribute to a 529 plan?

    Besides choosing the type of investments in your 529 plan, you can also choose how and when to contribute.

    Some people prefer automatic monthly contributions. Others prefer to contribute sporadically throughout the year, like when they receive a bonus at work.

    Unlike with most retirement plans, there are no yearly contribution limits for 529 plans. Instead, each state sets lifetime contribution limits per beneficiary, typically ranging from $235,000 to $550,000.

    This is a good time to point out that you can have a separate account for each of your kids. This allows you to save more money overall sine the contribution limits apply separately to each kid.

    It’s also a good idea to have separate accounts when you have different investment horizons based on the ages of your kids.

    For a complete list of the contribution limits by state, click here.

    By the way, if those limits sound incredibly high to you, you may be in for a shock when it comes time to pay for college.

    Keep reading to see what the projected costs of attending college are for a current kindergarten student.

    What happens if my kid does not go to college or I have money left over?

    If you have money left over in your 529 plan, you have some options. You can use that money for one of your other kids, without penalty. You can save it for a grandchild.

    As of 2024, you can roll extra 529 funds into a Roth IRA for the beneficiary, with some limitations. This was a terrific development for families worried about having too much money saved for college.

    If none of the available options work for you, rest assured that your money will always still be your money. You will have to pay a penalty and some taxes. Any unused earnings are subject to a 10% federal tax penalty plus income tax.

    How much should I be saving in my 529 college savings account?

    This is the ultimate question, right?

    While nobody can say for certain how much college will cost or how your investments will perform, we can make reasonable estimates to help form your strategy using an online calculator.

    I like the calculator available on Illinois Bright Start 529 website. What’s nice about this website is you can look up the future estimated cost of attending specific schools around the country.

    I also like using calculator.net. They have a College Cost Calculator where you can see how much college costs on average today and how much it is estimated to cost when your child starts college.

    Whatever online calculator you use, you’ll have to make some assumptions when you start plugging in numbers.

    For example, nobody can predict what your exact investment return rate will be. That said, you still need to plug a number into the calculator.

    What number should you use for investment return rate?

    • Bankrate.com and NerdWallet each suggest using an investment return rate of 10% annually (before inflation) based on historical stock market performance.

    10% seems like a reasonable number to use, keeping in mind that we’re just looking for an estimate to help us decide how much to save for college. Your actual returns may be lower.

    Besides the estimated return rate, you’ll also need to account for the rising costs of college. Most of the online calculators recommend you assume the cost of college will increase by 5% each year. That also sounds reasonable to me.

    One last thing: it’s never a bad idea to run through different investment scenarios to get a more complete picture. Try playing around with what the numbers look like if your investments only return 8% per year. Or, see what happens if college costs increase by 6% per year.

    With these assumptions in mind, you can start to get an idea of how much you should be saving for college today.

    Be warned, the dollar amount will probably scare you.

    Let’s look at an example using a current kindergarten student.

    Illinois’ Bright Start 529 calculator estimates that the cost of this kindergarten student attending the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign will be $264,735.

    Assuming you don’t have any current savings and you estimate a 10% annual rate of return, the Bright Start 529 calculator indicates you should save $10,796 per year.

    Does that sound like a lot of money?

    Want to really be scared?

    What if your kindergarten student is interested in private school for college? Maybe your child has his heart set on Northwestern University?

    Bright Start 529 estimates the cost of Northwestern University for your kindergarten student will be $691,942. That means if you have no current savings, you should be contributing $28,217 per year.

    Yikes.

    And that’s only for one kid.

    How are you supposed to save that much money for college?

    If these numbers sound scary to you, what can you do about it?

    I have some thoughts:

    1. First, you need to spend some time thinking and talking about why it’s important to you to be good with money. Maybe the reason is as simple as paying for your kids’ college. Whatever your money motivations are, write them down. This is what I did with my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom.
    2. With the right motivation in mind, you then need to make a Budget After Thinking. The overall purpose of your budget is to generate fuel for your future goals, including paying for college.
    3. Next, you need to stick to that budget by tracking two simple numbers. Making a budget does you no good if you aren’t sticking to it.
    4. Monitor your savings rate and aim for steady improvement over time, even if you’re only able to save a small amount to begin with.
    5. While you start to build your savings for college, avoid the three big causes for why many of us fall into debt, which can cancel out all your progress.
    6. Along the way, talk to your people. Remember the cardinal rule of Think and Talk Money: talking about money is not taboo. You are not alone in trying to save for college or trying to live a financially responsible life. Talking to your people will help you stay on track when times seem tough.

    The most important thing is that you take responsibility for your own money life.

    Nobody else can do this for you.

    The good news is that embracing these tips will help you beyond just paying for college. These are the exact strategies that will lead you to a life of financial freedom, the ultimate goal for many of us.

    It’s not supposed to be easy. If it were easy, everybody we do it.

    By educating yourself on 529 plans and talking to your people about money, you are way ahead of the curve.

    Do you have a plan to save for college?

    • Have you started saving for college?
    • Are you currently using a 529 college savings plan?
    • How do you motivate yourself to make regular contributions in light of other financial goals?

    Let us know in the comments below!

  • Money on My Mind: Global Happiness

    Money on My Mind: Global Happiness

    This week, we discuss recent reports on global happiness and starting families.

    We also discuss lessons from successful businesses that we can apply to our personal lives.

    The World Happiness Report 2025

    Since 2012, an organization known as The World Happiness Report (WHR) has studied global wellbeing and how to improve it.

    Each year, they analyze data from 140 countries and publish their findings in an effort to give everyone the knowledge to create more happiness for themselves and others.

    That sounds like a great mission to me.

    They also publish a global happiness ranking of all the countries studied. The rankings are based on answers to a single question:

    Please imagine a ladder with steps numbered from 0 at the bottom to 10 at the top. The top of the ladder represents the best possible life for you and the bottom of the ladder represents the worst possible life for you. On which step of the ladder would you say you personally feel you stand at this time?

    WHR explains that this “life evaluation” question empowers people to make their own judgments about what matters most.

    As part of its analysis, WHR uses economic modeling to explain countries’ average life evaluation scores. They look at six variables, and one of them jump out at me:

    “Freedom to make life choices.”

    What countries would you guess scored the highest on the 2025 rankings?

    The top five countries in the happiness rankings are:

    1. Finland
    2. Denmark
    3. Iceland
    4. Sweden
    5. Netherlands

    Each of these nations has ranked near the top for a long time.

    Where is the United States on the happiness chart?

    The United States fell to number 24, its lowest happiness ranking ever.

    The United States’ highest ranking was 11th place way back in 2011.

    I’m not totally surprised that the United States’ ranking is as low as it’s ever been.

    We’ve discussed some theories that may help explain this drop:

    I wasn’t surprised to see the United States rank 24th in the global happiness rankings, but I was shocked by the sub-ranking for this specific question:

    Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your freedom to choose what you do with your life?

    The United States ranked 115th out of 147 countries in response to the freedom question!

    That ranking truly shocked me.

    It also helps explain one of the primary goals of Think and Talk Money: to help each of us reach financial freedom.

    When we are financially free, we can choose to live life on our own terms. To me, that sounds a lot like what the WHR freedom question is trying to answer.

    When you have financial freedom, you can make important decisions based on what truly matters. When you don’t have financial freedom, you risk making unsatisfactory decisions for money reasons.

    We can choose to spend more time with the people who are meaningful to us.

    We can choose to use our skills for work that is meaningful to us.

    Group of happy friends posing for a selfie on a spring day as they party together outdoors because they understand happiness is tied to financial freedom.

    Most of us grow up thinking that life only revolves around getting an education and then getting a job. We don’t allow ourselves to believe that financial freedom is possible for us.

    This was exactly how I felt before I wrote down my Tiara Goals one day on the beach in 2017.

    My goal with Think and Talk Money is to help us all realize that financial independence is within our reach. If we can think and talk about our money choices even a little bit every week, we can make sure our money life remains in balance with the rest of our life.

    By practicing strong personal finance habits, each of us can feel more satisfied with our freedom to choose what to do with our lives.

    How would you rank yourself on the freedom question?

    Are you satisfied with your freedom to choose what you do with your life?

    What are your core values?

    Have you ever written down your core values?

    Do you know what you’re striving for?

    Successful businesses look at these questions regularly. I find it helpful to learn how successful businesses operate so I can apply similar principles to my own life.

    For example, there’s a great business book called Traction by Gino Wickman. In the book, Wickman encourages businesses to focus on vision, mission, and values.

    It seems like a pretty good idea for all of us to think about vision, mission, and values as they apply to our own lives.

    For example, if you’re one of the nearly half of Americans not taking your PTO, are you making that choice based on your core values?

    It’s possible that you are. Perhaps you’re being strategic and have formulated a plan to benefit from all those extra hours at the office.

    Or, it’s possible that you’ve never really stopped to think about why you’re working so much. You’ve never paused to articulate to yourself what you want out of life.

    In Traction, Wickman makes a compelling argument why businesses should not skip this crucial step.

    We all should take the same step in our personal lives. In 2017, I wrote down my core values, what I call my Tiara Goals.

    Looking at the big picture, my Tiara Goals have helped me visualize what I truly want out of life.

    In the short term, my Tiara Goals help guide me through difficult decisions. As long as I’m clear with myself about what I want in the long run, I can make daily decisions to get my closer to those goals.

    Millennials want more kids but can’t afford them.

    According to a recent report from Business Insider, Millennials want more kids but can’t afford them.

    This makes me sad.

    The study points to rising costs, as well as the reality that Millennials are saddled with large amounts of student loan debt.

    Combined, it makes sense that Millennials are worried about money.

    If you want to start a family, or grow your family, what better motivation could there be to spend a little bit of time each week thinking and talking about money.

    If this is your reality, or you know someone in this position, establishing strong personal finance habits is crucial.

    Each week at Think and Talk Money, we focus on developing these strong personal finance habits.

    Please share Think and Talk Money with your friends and loved ones.

    I hope that in spreading the word about Think and Talk Money, we can all help each other make big life decisions without worrying about money.

    This is important whether you are hoping to start a family or have other life goals in mind.

    We can all benefit from making intentional and informed decisions with our money.

  • Great Talk: Money and Fences

    Great Talk: Money and Fences

    Know anything about fences?

    We need to replace a 20 year-old wood fence at our home that’s one strong storm away from falling over. In these past few weeks, I’ve learned more about fences that I care to admit.

    On the bright side, shopping for a fence has led me to think about and practice many of the personal finance habits we talk about in the blog.

    Let me walk you through my thought process to help you whenever you have a big expenditure in front of you.

    In the world of privacy fences, there seem to be three primary choices available: wood, vinyl, and composite. I won’t bore you with all the details. The key points to consider for our conversation are:

    • Wood is the cheapest, but requires the most upkeep and will eventually need to be replaced.
    • Vinyl (plastic) comes with a lifetime warranty, requires little-to-no upkeep, but is 30-40% more expensive than wood.
    • Composite is the most durable, looks incredible, requires no upkeep whatsoever, has soundproofing ability, is made from recycled materials, comes with a 25-year warranty, but is nearly 3x more expensive than wood.

    We’ve ruled out wood after doing our research and determining that we’ve got too much going on to worry about annual fence upkeep.

    So, that leaves vinyl and composite. From our research, both would be good options. However, there’s really no doubt that composite is the best overall option, if you can stomach the cost.

    Talk to your people about expensive purchases.

    This is a big financial decision, so of course, I’ve been talking to my people for weeks about what they would do.

    I’ve gotten three common responses that go something like this:

    • “You’re planning to live in this home for the long run, make the investment in the best fence possible and never worry about it again.”
    • “How much do you really care about a fence? I’ve never even noticed my fence. Think of what other projects you could spend that money on.”
    • “Dude, leave me alone. I don’t want to talk about your fence.”

    As you can see, talking to your people does not mean that you’re off the hook for making the decision yourself. You will likely get a wide spectrum of advice.

    However, you’ll gain invaluable perspective to consider so you can make the best decision for your personal situation.

    Expensive purchases test your personal finance habits.

    Whenever you have a big purchase ahead of you, many of the strong personal finance habits you’ve been working to establish will be tested. You’ll be asking yourself questions like:

    My wife and I have considered all these questions as we’ve talked through the options.

    Rear view friends sitting on chairs talking at the bar but hiding from each other that they are in credit card debt.

    As of this moment, we’re leaning towards the composite fence so we never have to think about fencing again.

    To help defray the cost, we’re considering a financing option that offers 0% interest for 18 months.

    Important side note: if you ever choose to go with an attractive financing option, always read the fine print first.

    The lender is hoping you fail to pay off the purchase within the 0% interest period so you’re forced to pay insanely high interest on the remaining balance. The financing option we’re looking at jumps from 0% interest to 26% interest if we fail to pay off the loan in 18 months. That’s a serious penalty.

    Financing aside, we’ve also concluded that other projects will have to wait for a while so we don’t crush our money goals for the year.

    We’ll make our final decision this weekend.

    What would you do?

    Leave a comment below to help my wife and I decide.

    Sharing Think and Talk Money with Others.

    Over the past couple days, I’ve heard from several readers who have shared Think and Talk Money with people they care about.

    One reader told me that he shared the blog with his 25 year-old son. The reader was very appreciative because he’s experienced how important personal finance is.

    He knows his son will only benefit in the long run if he implements strong money habits at the beginning of his career.

    Another reader shared the blog with a friend who is now tracking her spending for three months. This is the first time she has ever tracked her spending to learn where her money is going each month.

    She is using her phone and a simple spreadsheet to track her expenses. She reports that even though it’s only been a month, she’s learning things about her money choices she never knew before.

    I love reader stories like this because they reflect one of our core philosophies at Think and Talk Money:

    It’s not taboo to to talk about money.

    When you start the conversation, you’re not just helping yourself, you’re helping people you care about.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re talking about paying for a fence or starting a budget. We all could use help when it comes to making good, consistent money decisions.

    Your friends are likely going through the same money challenges.

    Since writing about my challenges with credit card debt at the beginning of my career, I’ve had some great talks with friends I knew back then.

    Multiple friends have shared with me that they were dealing with the same credit card debt issues at the same time that I was.

    None of us ever knew it at the time. We were hanging out with each other every weekend, spending money we didn’t have. The joke of it all is that we were likely encouraging each other’s poor habits.

    Learning that I was in the same position as my friends all these years later does make me feel at least a little bit better about the mistakes I made back then. But, that’s not the important takeaway.

    The big takeaway for me is that if my friends and I were dealing with the same money challenges back then, we’re probably dealing with similar money challenges today.

    It might not be credit card debt from our social lives, but it might be something like saving for college or paying for a home. Maybe it’s what we should do when the stock market slumps.

    Just like we mentioned above, my friends and I will only benefit from having these kinds of money talks.

    Instead of just talking about mistakes we made in the past, we can talk about how to get it right as we move forward.