Tag: money mindset

  • Why it’s Important to Invest in Your Financial Wellness

    Why it’s Important to Invest in Your Financial Wellness

    “Should I invest in real estate?”

    “Maybe I should I buy Apple stock?”

    “I could boost my emergency savings.“

    “Or, put a little more into my Roth IRA.“

    “What about a 529 plan?”

    When it comes to investment decisions, we all want to make the right decisions. We work hard for our money and know that investing for the future is important.

    We just don’t always know what the right decision is.

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    With all this investing advice out there, don’t forget to invest in yourself. #thinkandtalkmoney #financialwellnessforlawyers

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    With so much marketing from big banks and investment companies, not to mention the financial media, the options can seem overwhelming.

    Well, what if you decided to drown out the noise and take matters into your own hands?

    What if the best thing to invest in was not a stock or a rental property?

    What if the best thing to invest in was staring right back at you every time you look in the mirror?

    Instead of spending your whole life investing in other companies and other people, what if you decided to invest in yourself?

    For my money, there’s no better investment you’ll ever make.

    Subscribe Here to Join our Newsletter!
    Name

    We all invest in ourselves when we go to school.

    Investing in yourself is something you’ve long done, even if you didn’t always realize it.

    As a lawyer, doctor, consultant, etc., you’ve already made a major investment in yourself through your education.

    Following high school, lawyers commit to another 7 years of education before they can start practicing. Doctors can take twice that long.

    For consultants and other professionals, it’s not uncommon to return to school for an M.B.A., oftentimes while still working a full-time job.

    All this education and training comes at a steep price. Most of us take on huge amounts of debt in exchange for our careers.

    The point is that none of us are strangers to investing in ourselves. And, for the most part, we’ve all benefitted because we made major investments in ourselves.

    The problem is that a certain point, we stopped investing in ourselves.

    So, this leads us to the question of the day:

    When was the last time you invested in yourself?

    What are ways you can invest in yourself?

    There is no shortage of ways to invest in yourself. Just as a few examples, you could:

    What do all of these self-investment options have in common?

    They require very little capital.

    In other words, you can invest in yourself for a relatively small amount of money.

    And, the potential upside is practically unlimited.

    a group of people in graduation gowns reminding us to invest in ourselves.
    Photo by Rosalind Chang on Unsplash

    The cost to invest in yourself is very low.

    When you invest in yourself, the cost of entry is very low.

    Books are inexpensive. Blogs and podcasts typically offer free and timely content.

    Even if you only learn one new idea or strategy from a book or blog post, the cost to learn that idea or strategy is basically zero.

    This makes investing in yourself a near risk-free investment.

    Let’s talk about the value in attending professional seminars for a minute.

    Every professional field, in every corner of the world, offers seminars.

    Law firms and businesses recognize the importance of seminars and will oftentimes pay the registration fee for its employees.

    What happens when you attend seminars? Not only do you learn skills to help you excel in your career, you also meet people.

    Meeting the right person can make your career. You just need to invest in yourself by registering for the seminar.

    Online courses are an inexpensive and effective way to invest in yourself.

    The same low cost and effective way to invest in yourself that applies to seminars also holds true for online courses.

    There’s one crucial advantage to taking an online course:

    If in-person seminars aren’t your thing, you can take an online course from the comfort of your home or office, at your own pace.

    Many courses offer valuable insight based on the instructor’s personal experiences and acquired knowledge. This learning format can feel more intimate and relatable.

    Additionally, online courses may provide the opportunity to meet the instructor and other participants. That gives you the chance to ask questions pertaining to your personal situation. You also get the advantage of building your network, like if you attended a seminar.

    One last note about online courses: before you balk at the price, think back to what you paid for law school.

    Law school costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many lawyers spend years in debt to pay off that education.

    Now, compare what you paid to attend law school to the cost of completing an online course.

    A quality online course will cost a fraction of what it cost to obtain your degree.

    If you were willing to take out loans and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a lawyer, why not invest a bit more in yourself to continue developing your skills?

    Investing in yourself does not only relate to your career.

    Investing in yourself is not limited to just acquiring skills or connections beneficial to your career.

    As one example, I recently committed to running the New York City Marathon in 2026. I’ve never run a marathon before. I’ve never even run a half marathon before. I’m essentially clueless in how to properly train.

    So what did I do?

    I searched for marathon tips on the internet.

    My search led me to Marathon Handbook. It’s a terrific resource.

    There are free articles and training plans for beginners and experienced runners. There is also a paid online course, which I plan to take in the coming weeks.

    The thing is, if I’m going to take on the challenge and time commitment of training for a marathon, I want to do it the right way.

    I want to learn from other people’s experiences. I don’t want to make preventable mistakes. I’m happy to pay for that knowledge and insight.

    This logic applies whether you are training for a marathon or hoping to develop any other skill. Investing a little bit of money upfront can lead to massive benefits down the road.

    Personal finance is one of the most important areas of self-improvement.

    Investing in your physical wellness is important. Hardly anything could be more important.

    You know what else is important to invest in?

    Your financial wellness.

    I’ll even go so far as to say that investing in your own financial wellness is the best investment you’ll ever make. 

    Don’t believe me?

    Just look up “lottery winners who go broke.“

    And that leads us to an important point on timing:

    It’s not just what you learn when it comes to personal finance. It’s when you learn it.

    The best time to learn personal finance is BEFORE you start making real money.

    If you win the lottery, you want personal finance knowledge and skills in place before you receive the money.

    The same is true as we begin our careers or start to advance in our careers and start making more money.

    If you didn’t learn personal finance skills at the beginning of your career, that’s OK. The next best time to learn is right now.

    The worst thing to do is to wait until you have a high income before you learn about money.

    If you wait, you’re going to end up like the lottery winners who go broke.

    mirror in a quiet room symbolizing that we need to invest in ourselves at think and talk money.
    Photo by Lowell So on Unsplash

    The potential rate of return for learning personal finance is greater than any other investment.

    Whether you subscribe to a money blog, listen to podcasts, read books, or pay for an online course, the return on that investment is potentially infinite.

    This especially holds true for anyone willing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for an education.

    Paying another $1,500 to $2,000 for a quality financial wellness course ensures that the investment in your career will not be wasted.

    To me, that makes it a no-brainer to invest in your financial wellness.

    What’s the point in working so hard to make money if you’re not going to be knowledgeable or disciplined enough to keep it?

    When you have money and understand personal finance, you control the circumstances.

    When you empower yourself to make intentional choices with your money, something incredible happens.

    You gain a new confidence as your walk through life.

    You stop worrying endlessly about money.

    Trust me, it’s a relief to know that all the money you’re earning at work is not being wasted.

    The best part of investing in your financial wellness is that you’ll be on your way to financial independence.

    That means the freedom to pursue work that is meaningful to you and the freedom to spend more time with people who are meaningful to you. 

    Could there be a better investment than that?

  • Why It’s So Important to Learn Personal Finance

    Why It’s So Important to Learn Personal Finance

    When I graduated law school in 2009, I never thought about money.

    Within a year, I had racked up $20,000 in credit card debt ($30,000 in today’s dollars).

    And, that was on top of my student loan debt.

    My salary at the time was $62,000. This was a problem. 

    After all these years, I still ask myself, “How did I let that happen?”

    The answer, I now realize, is actually pretty simple.

    I never learned about personal finance.

    I wasn’t thinking about money. And, I certainly wasn’t talking about money.

    It wasn’t until later that I learned that I had made every common money mistake in the book.

    • Rented a fancy apartment with a garage parking spot that I didn’t need?
    • Paid for Cubs season tickets I couldn’t afford?
    • Traveled coast-to-coast? Traveled overseas? Put it all on credit cards? 

    Check… check.. and check.

    It’s not that I intentionally decided to get into debt. Frankly, there was nothing unusual about me at all.

    I generally wanted to make good choices. I am a relatively smart human. You are, too. You’re reading a personal finance blog with the entire internet at your fingertips.

    Maybe you’re like me, and it hadn’t occurred to you that money was a thing you needed to learn about.

    I didn’t know the first thing about money when I began my career.

    When I graduate law school, I blindly assumed that I would earn a high enough income that I didn’t have to worry about money.

    As I fell deeper and deeper into debt, I realized what a huge mistake that was. 

    Maybe that’s why I still remember the day so clearly when I realized I was financially heading in the wrong direction.

    It was an ordinary Monday. I had grabbed my mail on the way out the door as I headed to my job at the courthouse. When I got to my desk, I opened my credit card statement and was stunned by what I saw.

    $20,000 owed ($30,000 in today’s dollars) one year into my career.  

    I was ashamed. I was supposed to be smart. Responsible. Trustworthy. 

    How could I be so foolish?

    Looking back, I shouldn’t have been so hard on myself. I had never learned about personal finances.

    It would be like getting upset today that I’m bad at playing the piano when I never learned how to play in the first place.

    I’m certain that if I taken a personal finance course, or read a personal finance blog, I wouldn’t have made the same mistakes.

    I would have saved myself a lot of worry, frustration, and time if I had a basic personal finance education.

    I also would have learned that so many others were struggling with consumer debt like I was. There was no reason to make it harder on myself by keeping my debt a secret and struggling alone.

    I unnecessarily did it the hard way, but I figured out personal finance.

    At that moment when the full weight of my debt hit me, I made it a priority to turn things around. 

    At the time, I didn’t know the solution.

    But, I had been trained to do research in law school so I could find answers to hard questions. So, that’s what I did.

    Along the way, I realized that the fundamental and basic personal finance principles are, well, basic.

    George S. Clason wrote “The Richest Man in Babylon” nearly a century ago. His collection of parables set in ancient Babylon is legendary. 

    Everyone should read it. His advice is simple and excellent: spend less than you earn. Save. Invest.

    The same fundamentals are as true today as they were then.

    Easy, right? 

    Not exactly.

    woman holding pen and paper symbolizing why personal finance education is so important.
    Photo by Unseen Studio on Unsplash

    Personal finance education should be a constant in your life. 

    Money is about continuous mindset and choices.

    The basic concepts are easy enough to understand. Consistently making good choices is hard.

    Even as I was racking up credit card debt, I could have aced a quiz that asked, “Is it a good idea to spend more money than you earn every month and plummet deeper and deeper into debt?”

    I knew that I was supposed to spend less than I earned. That didn’t stop me from overspending.

    Knowing the right answer is not the same as actually doing the right thing.

    The law students and lawyers I teach are smart people. Like me back in 2010, they generally know the right answers. They don’t need me to tell them to spend less than they earn.

    I help them get to the next level by building a strong money mindset. Then, we work on the habits and skills that will allow them to consistently use money as a tool to control their circumstances.

    It’s not enough to learn the basics of personal finance and then stop. As your life changes, you need to regularly evaluate your personal finances so your money stays in line with your values. 

    That’s why it’s important to make personal finance education a constant in your life, whether it’s through a blog, a course or coaching.

    Too many of us choose to struggle with money alone.

    For some reason, though, most of us choose to deal with money on our own. Alone, we struggle with anxiety about credit card debt and guilt about splurging on things we love.

    This has never made sense to me.

    Making good choices with our money is essential to a healthy and meaningful life.

    Why don’t we talk more about these things with our friends and family?

    That’s what I’m trying to change.

    I’m done with this stigma that we shouldn’t talk about money.

    I want us to get comfortable with the idea of going to our friends and loved ones to talk about money, just as we would talk about anything else.

    There should be no embarrassment or shame in it. We’re all dealing with the same challenges.

    By talking about money, we can help each other turn those challenges into opportunities.

    If we can alleviate our money stress, perhaps we can reverse the trend of lower happiness levels among young people today.

    Talking about money is not about numbers.

    We’ll have plenty more to say about how to talk money. For now, let’s agree that talking about money is not about prying into how many dollars we each have in the bank. 

    We can benefit by talking about our money mindset, habits, and strategies, while still keeping certain information private.

    Let’s also agree that talking money is a “no judgment” endeavor.

    We have all had different experiences that have shaped our relationship with money.

    It’s important not to pass judgment, especially when talking to our significant others. Your conversation won’t last very long if you ignore this advice.

    Each session I’m with my students, I learn from their experiences and money mindset, same as they learn from mine. I encourage them to continue the conversation outside the classroom with their loves ones. 

    When my students report back, they tell me how empowered they felt after starting these conversations. The more we can talk money, the less we’ll feel alone. We’ll all make better choices because of it.

    mindfulness sign symbolizing why personal finance education is so important.
    Photo by Lesly Juarez on Unsplash

    Talk about money mindset with your significant other, family, and friends.

    If you want to know where to begin the conversation with your loved ones, start with money mindset.

    Money mindset touches every aspect of personal finance, so it’s the natural place to start.

    I didn’t realize the power of money mindset until I wrote down my Tiara Goals for financial independence on a beach in 2017.

    People tend to skip this step. They want to jump straight to investing and real estate before learning about money mindset.

    But, why focus on investing if you and your significant other are not aligned on what those investments are for?

    The same logic applies to budgeting. While very few people enjoy the budgeting process, it’s a crucial step to generate fuel for our savings and investments, which ultimately fund our major life goals.

    The progression matters. Only after we’ve learned about budgeting, saving, and how to responsibly use debt and credit cards should we focus on investing and real estate investing.

    Talking about money is not taboo.

    There’s no reason to embark on your journey to financial freedom alone.

    Read a personal finance blog. Take a personal finance course.

    Talk about money.

    Share your accomplishments and struggles with your friends and loved ones. You’ll only be better off for it.

    If I can be of any help on your journey, please don’t hesitate to reach out.

    Don’t forget to subscribe to my email list for all the latest money topics I’m thinking about.

  • Practice Strong Money Fundamentals Before Investment Dreams

    Practice Strong Money Fundamentals Before Investment Dreams

    When I teach my personal finance seminar to lawyers or law students, I typically reach out ahead of time asking about topics of interest.

    The most common response I get is something like, “I want to learn about investing.”

    The other common response is, “I want to invest in real estate.”

    I totally get it. Investing in the stock market and owning real estate are sexy topics.

    Without a doubt, these are both important topics to cover in a personal finance seminar. We spend a lot of time in my course and here in the blog talking about investing and owning real estate.

    Of course, the best way to generate wealth is through consistent investments over a long time horizon.

    So, my students are asking the right questions when they are concerned about investing and real estate.

    But, they’re skipping a few crucial steps.

    The thing is, investing is actually the easy part.

    The hard part is constantly generating enough money to fuel those investments.

    That’s why investing and owning real estate are “Day 2 topics.” On Day 1, we have to build the foundation.

    Think about it like this:

    • Before we can invest, we need excess money to invest.
    • To have excess money to invest, we need a budget that actually works.
    • For a budget that actually works, we need clear motivations.
    • Clear motivations means a strong money mindset.

    Can you spot the issue of investing without a solid foundation?

    When my students ask me a question about how to start investing, I tend to respond with a question of my own:

    “How much savings does your budget generate each month?”

    Yes, I know. It’s so annoying to answer a question with a question.

    This particular question usually leads to a double dose of annoyance from my students.

    My students are first annoyed that I ignored their question about investing. They didn’t come to me to talk about something boring, like budgeting.

    They want to know about the exciting stuff, like earning huge returns in the stock market.

    Next, after this initial annoyance fades away, another form of annoyance sets in.

    My students get annoyed because they can’t actually answer the question.

    They realize they have no idea how much money they’re saving each month because they don’t have a budget.

    That’s a problem.

    Not having a budget is a problem for anyone who wants to consistently invest.

    To be a successful investor, you need to consistently fuel your investments. There will be ups and downs in the markets. That’s to be expected.

    Your job is to stay in the game and keep feeding your accounts.

    For example, most of us can be successful investors by simply investing in an index fund, like VTSAX.

    Once we’ve selected that investment, our job is to constantly add money to your investment account.

    That means having a budget that works.

    If you skip this part of the process, sure, you may be savvy enough to open and initially fund the account. But, my prediction is you won’t be fueling that account regularly.

    Having a budget for your personal finances is even more important when it comes to owning real estate.

    Investing in real estate means running a business. Money comes in and money goes out. To be successful, you have to make sure that more money comes in than goes out.

    This is obvious stuff, right?

    The same logic applies to your personal budget: if you want to get ahead in life, more money needs to come in than goes out.

    The problem is most people have a hard enough time managing their personal finances. How are they going to handle managing business finances?

    That’s why I ask my students, “If you haven’t mastered this idea with your personal budget, are you sure you want to take on the stress and risk of an investment property?”

    It’s usually around this point when my students start nodding in understanding.

    paper airplane in a window of airplane reflecting that we need to have a plan with our money before dreaming on investments.
    Photo by Sebastián León Prado on Unsplash

    Before focusing on stocks or real estate, make sure your personal finances are in order.

    My goal here is not to dissuade you from investing in stocks or real estate.

    We all need to invest if we want to generate wealth.

    My goal is to help you avoid the mistakes that so many of us make in the early stages of our careers.

    One of the biggest mistakes I see is people wanting to jump to the final steps in the process without starting from a strong foundation.

    If you’ve been following along on the blog, you likely noticed the progression in topics we’ve covered. This is the same progression that we follow in my personal finance course.

    You’ll see links to each one of these topics featured on the top of the Think and Talk Money homepage:

    We initially covered each of those topics in order from top to bottom. First, we talked extensively about the mental side of money. Without having your money mindset in the right place, nothing else matters.

    We then spent a lot of time talking about personal finance fundamentals, like budgeting, saving, and handling credit and debt responsibly. 

    Only after having our personal finance foundation in place did we talk about more fun concepts like investing and real estate.

    There’s a reason we’ve covered these topics in this order. 

    If your money mindset is not in the right place, you won’t be able to stay on budget. 

    If you can’t stay on budget, you’ll likely fall into debt. 

    When you’re falling deeper and deeper into debt, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to prioritize investing.

    Why bother with investing if any profits are just going to disappear?

    Let’s focus on that last point for a minute. 

    What sense does it make to invest if you’ve never proven to yourself that you can use those investment gains responsibly?

    I never want to see people take on the risks of investing just to have any profits disappear because they don’t have a strong personal finance foundation in place.

    For example, imagine someone does the work to find and sustain a good rental property that generates $1,000 per month in cash flow. 

    It’s not easy to earn that much. It takes time and effort, not to mention the risk involved.

    If that same person blows the $1,000 he earned on things he doesn’t care about, what was the point? 

    Why take on the risk and do the work if the money will all be gone by the end of the month?

    Unfortunately, this is how many people go through life. They work hard, make good money, and then have nothing to show for it.

    I don’t want that to be your fate. I want you to have a plan for your money before you earn it. 

    That means sticking to a budget that consistently moves you closer to living freely on your terms.

    Most of us don’t know where our next dollar is going. 

    The reason most people never get ahead with their finances is because they don’t have a plan for where their next dollar is going. 

    Their income hits their checking account, they spend it on this or that, and pretty soon that money has disappeared. They haven’t used the money to advance any of their priorities.

    It’s just gone.

    To me, this is one of the most important money mistakes that we need to fix right away. We definitely need to fix it before we start fantasizing about big investment returns. 

    If not, you’ll just be making the same mistakes, just with more money to lose.

    Having a plan for our money, before we earn it, is essential if we want to reach our goals. With a plan, we can eliminate the disappearing dollars with confidence that our money is being used to serve our purposes.

    How do you create a plan for your money before you earn it?

    You need to have a budget.

    If you don’t currently have a budget that results in excess money at the end of each month, I encourage you to start there before thinking bout real estate.

    sign saying I feel like making dreams come true indicating that we need to have a plan with our money before dreaming on investments.
    Photo by Peter Fogden on Unsplash

    When you have strong fundamentals in place, money becomes fun.

    Being good with money doesn’t have to be stressful. Once you have the fundamentals in place, you’ll start to see how each dollar you earn gets you one step closer to financial freedom.

    Before you think about investing in stocks or in real estate, make sure that your personal finances are in order. 

    Otherwise, the effort, stress, and risk of investing is not worth it. Any dollar you earn is likely to disappear as quickly as it comes in.

    To prevent that from happening, establish good money habits before you buy real estate. 

    In the end, you’ll be so happy that you did.

    For any investors out there, did you jump in before establishing strong personal money habits first?

    Did any benefits you earned from investing simply disappear because you didn’t have a plan for those dollars ahead of time?

    What advice do you have for beginners thinking about investing?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Don’t Blame Your Income if You Are a Lawyer in Debt

    Don’t Blame Your Income if You Are a Lawyer in Debt

    If you’re a lawyer, you make plenty of money.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re in big law or working in the public sector.

    And, if you’re a lawyer in debt, your income is not the reason why.

    I know lawyers who make a lot of money and are in a lot of debt. I also know lawyers who make modest salaries and have no debt.

    Income is not the problem.

    The problem is what you are doing with that income.

    You may tell yourself that more income would solve all your debt problems, but it won’t.

    Not unless you understand how you got into debt in the first place and are ready to do something about it.

    Today, we’ll look at my three theories why lawyers end up in debt.

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    Let’s change those poor financial habits. #thinkandtalkmoney #badhabits #financialfreedom #financialliteracy

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    Looking at each of these explanations can help us understand and avoid common pitfalls that lead us into debt.

    Of course, it’s expected that young lawyers will have student loan debt. While student loan debt may be considered good debt, the problem is that it can spiral into other forms of bad debt.

    For example, student loan debt becomes the excuse for why we fall into consumer debt:

    “I have to pay my loans this month, but I also want to eat out with my friends. I’ll just use my credit card.”

    This is exactly what happened to me at the beginning of my career as a lawyer, and what I want to help you avoid.

    If you fall into bad habits early, the problems only magnify when your income rises and your potential to spend rises.

    The key is to eliminate the bad habits before they become bad habits. If it’s too late for that, now is the best time to correct those bad habits before the situation spirals.

    Before we get to my theories why lawyers are in debt, realize that you’re not alone if you are a lawyer in debt.

    Unfortunately, the data shows that debt is all too common in today’s world. Let’s begin with some scary stats about debt.

    Here are some scary stats to help explain why lawyers are in debt.

    According to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, total household debt in the United States grew to $18.04 trillion by the end of 2024.

    That’s such a big number, it’s hard to know what to do with that information.

    Let’s break it down by the type of debt:

    • Credit card balances increased by $45 billion from the previous quarter and reached $1.21 trillion at the end of December 2024.
    • Auto loan balances increased by $11 billion to $1.66 trillion. 
    • Mortgage balances also increased by $11 billion and reached $12.61 trillion. 
    • HELOC balances increased by $9 billion to $396 billion.
    • Other balances, reflecting retail cards and other consumer loans, increased by $8 billion. 
    • Student loan balances increased by $9 billion to reach $1.62 trillion.

    While these numbers are still too big to comprehend, one powerful conclusion is hard to miss:

    In every category, the amount of debt increased from the previous quarter.

    This pattern of increasing consumer debt has been consistent for some time now.

    HELOC balances have increased for eleven consecutive quarters.

    Credit card balances have increased or remained the same for 10 of the last 11 quarters.

    Let’s look closer at credit card debt for a moment. 

    According to a recent survey looking at credit card debt in 2024 by Bankrate.com:

    • 48% of credit card holders carry a debt balance, an increaseof 9% since 2021.
    • 53% of the people have been in credit card debt for more than a year.
    • The main causes of credit card debt are unexpected medical bills (15%), car repairs (9%) and home repairs (7%). 

    According to another Bankrate.com survey, 33% of Americans report they have more credit card debt than emergency savings.

    These last couple stats help us understand why so many people fall into debt in the first place.

    Some of it has to do with the failure to have emergency savings. When we don’t have savings, the first place we turn is to our credit cards.

    Even more has to do with the failure to keep our spending in check, or living below our means.

    library stacks with books indicating that if you're a lawyer in debt, you make plenty of money and the problem is not your income.
    Photo by Giammarco Boscaro on Unsplash

    Why is it so hard for lawyers to live below our means?

    “Live below your means.”

    “Money doesn’t grow on trees.”

    “Don’t break the bank.”

    We’ve all heard these common money phrases. If you were to ask someone older than you for one piece of personal finance advice, I’m betting you’ll hear one of these lessons.

    Let me know if I’m right about that in the comments below.

    There’s a reason these phrases are so common. They’re simple and easily reflect some of our core personal finance principles:

    Most of us understand that it makes sense to spend less money that we earn, right?

    How many of us remember rolling our eyes as kids after our parents wouldn’t buy something we wanted because money doesn’t grow on trees?

    I’ve started using this line with my own kids.

    Does anyone truly disagree with these lessons? If so, I’d be very appreciative to hear your perspective in the comments below.

    Why is it that we can all agree with these core personal finance lessons and at the same time choose to ignore them?

    For example, we intuitively know that we should live below our means, but nearly half of us carry a credit card balance.

    On top of that, hardly any of us are completely satisfied with our savings.

    It’s not that we want to have high debt and low savings.

    So why is this the reality for so many of us?

    Here are my three leading theories.

    1. We fall into debt because we are simply careless.

    When I struggled with debt at the beginning of my career, it was basic carelessness.

    I didn’t have any idea how to budget or make intentional choices with my money. I had never thought about why or how to be good with money.

    Like many people, I failed to create a budget and assumed that my W-2 income was plenty. I ignored emergency savings and never even thought about creating Parachute Money. 

    The saddest part is that I didn’t even realize that I was slipping backwards. I had no idea because I didn’t track my net worth or saving rate. I worked hard all year long and just hoped things would work out.

    By the way, if this sounds familiar, you should know by now I’m not judging anyone. I’ve been very open about my money mistakes.

    We all deserve a chance to learn about and talk about strong personal finance habits. That’s why I’m on a mission to flip the script: talking money is not taboo.

    2. We don’t plan ahead for emergencies.

    So, being careless with money is one common reason lawyers fall into debt. Another common reason is that bad things happen in life.

    This might include medical emergencies, home repairs or car troubles. It’s not our fault that these things happen. But, it is our fault if we’re not prepared in advance. 

    While these events are unfortunate, and maybe even tragic, they are not unexpected. We all need to expect that bad things will happen. 

    Preparing for the unexpected is part of every solid organization’s planning.

    In government, planning ahead means having a “rainy day fund.” 

    When managing properties, planning ahead for big repairs means having a “Capital Expenditures” or “Cap Ex” fund.

    For our personal finances, planning ahead means having an emergency fund. 

    Whether it’s government, business, or personal finance, the goal is to have options other than taking on debt to get through challenging circumstances.

    3. Blame the Kardashians.

    Besides carelessness and emergencies, there’s another powerful force that contributes to rising debt levels across the world.

    This force is nearly impossible to ignore. It’s become a part of our daily lives, whether we want to admit it or not. 

    What is this powerful force that contributes to our rising debt levels?

    The Kardashians.

    OK, not just the Kardashians, but they’re kind of the mascots.

    The era of social media and on-demand entertainment has made it harder than ever to avoid temptation. It’s everywhere we look.

    Blaming the Kardashians realtes to another timeless, common money phrase: “Keeping up with the Joneses.”

    The Kardashians are the modern day Joneses.

    Once upon a time, “the Joneses” represented your neighbors, people you could observe from a distance on a regular basis.

    The idea behind the phrase is that you can see what your neighbors are spending money on and are either consciously or subconsciously tempted to do the same.

    If your neighbors buy a new car, you buy a new car to keep pace.

    If your neighbors vacation in Australia, you research diving tours at The Great Barrier Reef.

    When you notice your neighbors hosting a backyard BBQ party with lots of happy looking people, you decide to host a party the next weekend.

    As humans, it can be difficult to ignore the temptation to keep up with our neighbors.

    Whether we like it or not, we are concerned with our social status. Part of our self-worth gets tied to comparing ourselves to others. 

    Who better to measure up against than the people in our neighborhood who we probably have a lot in common with?

    lawyers sitting around table with laptops indicating that if you're a lawyer in debt, you make plenty of money and the problem is not your income.
    Photo by Campaign Creators on Unsplash

    Keeping up with the Joneses is compounded in the professional setting.

    This same idea is oftentimes compounded in the professional setting, like at law firms. It is not uncommon to compare ourselves in the same way to our colleagues at the office. 

    This is especially difficult for lawyers. Fair or not, society generally expects lawyers to make a lot of money and have nice things.

    If a partner at your firm joins a country club, wears fancy clothes, or sends her kids to private school, you may feel pressured to do the same.

    It’s easy to get caught up in expensive tastes when you’re expected to fit in, even if you don’t have the money to spare.

    One of my favorite personal finance books, The Millionaire Next Door, discusses this concept in detail.

    I highly recommend you read this book if you are struggling with comparing yourself to others.

    So, what’s the solution for lawyers in debt? 

    Deactivate social media? Cancel the internet?

    Nah. If you did that, you’d miss out on epic Instagram reels like this one where I share my top five favorite personal finance books.

    Instead, the first part of the solution is to recognize when you’re making careless money decisions based on what you think other people are doing. 

    Making money decisions based off of your neighbors, let alone the Kardashians, is the fast road to debt.

    You have no idea why or how another person is spending money. For all you know, it’s all for show and that person is barely getting by. 

    Do you really want to blindly follow this person’s choices? Wouldn’t it be better to confer with people you trust to help you think through money decisions? 

    The second part of the solution is to recognize that everywhere you look, companies are clamoring for your dollars. 

    Not an exaggeration: nearly $2 Trillion (with a ‘T’) of marketing dollars are spent worldwide each year with one goal in mind: to separate you from your money.

    If you let that reality sink in, you’ll hopefully pause the next time you’re about to spend money on something you don’t actually care about.

    You make plenty of money as a lawyer. Your income is not the reason you’re in debt.

    As a lawyer, your income is not the reason you’re in debt.

    You make plenty of money. The issue is what you do with that money.

    This is where we circle back to money mindset.

    You need to have a competing force in your life that’s strong enough to overcome all the noise. 

    I’m referring to your ultimate goals in life. I mean the reasons you wake up every morning to get to the firm or stay up late to finish a brief. 

    Why are you working so hard? 

    When you can answer that question, you’ll know what your ultimate goals are in life.

    With those goals in the forefront of your mind, it’s much easier to make consistent, intentional money decisions. 

    Most importantly, you’ll stay on budget and avoid sinking into debt. 

    You’ll also be much happier when you stop worrying about what random strangers are spending money on.

    If you’re a lawyer in debt, are there other explanations for how you got there?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • A Reminder About the Intersection of Money and Life

    A Reminder About the Intersection of Money and Life

    By now, you should know that I love Chicago.

    It’s where I’m from, where I’ve chosen to raise my family, and where I primarily invest in real estate.

    Last night was a good night for Chicago sports fans.

    My favorite team, the Chicago Cubs, won a playoff series for the first time since 2017.

    While watching the game at home, I couldn’t help but think of how different my life is today than it was in 2017.

    Back then, I had season tickets and rarely missed a game. My wife and I were just about to get married. Life was good and about as easy as can be.

    From a financial perspective, we were pretty boring.

    By the way, being boring with money is not a bad thing.

    When it comes to money, boring is good.

    Back in 2017, my wife and I each made good incomes as attorneys. More importantly, we were happy saving a lot of the money we earned.

    We rented an apartment and had minimal expenses besides travel and our social lives.

    At that time, we had a good amount of savings because we were planning to buy a house after the wedding.

    Our only investments were in retirement accounts, like a Roth IRA and 401(k). We didn’t own any real estate.

    Life’s a bit different for me now.

    I don’t have season tickets anymore. We don’t travel as much.

    We have three kids and different financial priorities.

    Life is better than ever, but maybe not as easy as it was in 2017.

    OK, what does all this have to do with baseball?

    Last night at home, while watching the Cubs pull out a stressful victory, I started thinking about these things. I wasn’t in the crowd like in 2017, but I knew exactly how the fans were feeling.

    Each pitch was tense. The crowd went nuts after every Cubs hit or strikeout by a Cubs pitcher. Whenever the San Diego Padres had a rally going, every Cubs fan was nervous.

    In the end, the Cubs pulled out the victory and thousands of people now have memories they’ll never forget.

    There’s nothing better than playoff baseball. I love it and hate it at the same time.

    Watching the game, I thought of some of my favorite baseball memories. It was a good reminder of why it’s so important to think and talk about money.

    We say it a lot around here: money is only a tool. When used properly, you can use money to build lifelong memories. You can create stories that you’ll remember for the rest of your life.

    Stories like the ones I have from 2016 when the Cubs won the World Series.

    That’s when I met Phil and April.

    My nice friends, Phil and April.

    Throughout that World Series run, we sat next to the nicest couple in the world, Phil and April.

    Phil was a diehard Cubs fan. April was more reserved.

    Both were smart and very friendly. They were enjoyable people to sit with.

    We chatted baseball, mostly. Pitching changes. Send the runner. Question the manager. That sort of thing. Completely normal, unremarkable stuff. 

    Until Game 5.

    Game 5 was played on a crisp, October evening. Jackets and beanies weather in Chicago. Phil and April were sitting next to my brother and I, as usual.

    Mike Napoli was playing first base for Cleveland. Around the 3rd inning, a jerk four rows in front of us taunted Napoli with a crude, juvenile insult.

    It was apparent the jerk was doing his part to keep Old Style in business for another year.

    None of us liked what this jerk yelled.

    Phil especially didn’t like it.

    Phil was nice…and tough.

    Phil did what the rest of us were thinking but were too scared to do ourselves.

    Phil stood up. In so many words, Phil sternly recommended that the jerk knock it off and show some class.

    The jerk turned around, aggressively scanning the crowd for the man who had publicly shamed him. The jerk had that unmistakable look in his eye that meant, “Let’s dance.”

    My brother and I were a bit worried for our nice… and all of a sudden tough…friend, Phil. 

    Phil’s wife, April, did not look worried. She sat there like nothing strange was happening. Almost like she had seen this movie before.

    When the jerk locked eyes with Phil, he immediately saw that Phil was not backing down. If anything, Phil looked a little too eager.

    Well, the jerk was sloppy, but he had enough sense to recognize that he wanted no piece of Phil. He wisely turned back around and sat down quietly. 

    That was the last we heard from the jerk that night.

    Our nice (and tough) friend, Phil had restored order.

    chicago cubs sing lit up reminding me of why we spend money.
    Photo by Dastan Eraliev on Unsplash

    Phil’s on TV!

    On the day of the Cubs’ championship parade, my brother called me excitedly, “Phil’s on TV! Phil’s on TV!”

    It didn’t register right away who he was talking about.

    When I turned on the TV, sure enough, there was Phil, our World Series friend. I was so confused. Phil was giving an interview on set with the Cubs announcers.

    Our nice (and tough) friend, Phil? On TV? 

    I turned up the volume and listened to Phil talk about his experience watching the Cubs win the World Series. Maybe I was hoping he’d mention his nice friend, Matt. (He didn’t.)

    I still couldn’t figure out why Phil was on TV. 

    Why won’t they just put his name on the screen already!? 

    It wasn’t until the end of the interview that I learned who Phil was.

    All I could do was laugh. 

    Our nice, and confirmed tough, friend Phil is better known as World Wresting Entertainment (WWE) champion and icon, CM Punk.

    Oh, and his wife?

    WWE champion and bestselling author, AJ Mendez.

    Unknowing watching the Cubs win the World Series with two celebrities with a combined 3.5 million Instagram followers?

    Yup, that’s a story I’ll be telling for a while.

    A memory I wouldn’t trade for anything. 

    As much fun as the World Series was, my favorite Cubs memory actually took place during the 2015 season, the year before they won the World Series.

    It was during the 7th inning of Game 4 of the NLDS. This was the game where the Cubs knocked the rival St. Louis Cardinals out of the playoffs.

    In the 7th inning, with the Cubs up 5-4, Kyle Schwarber hit one of the most epic home runs in Cubs history, landing his moonshot on top of the new right field video board.

    It was such a feat, the ball is now enshrined where it landed.

    The entire stadium was rocking so loud, you could feel the ground shaking beneath your feet. Every fan was jumping up and down, hugging anyone close enough to touch.

    We were all dancing like nobody was watching. That moment was pure happiness. 

    I was there with my mom.

    A lifelong Chicagoan, she too was jumping up and down and high-fiving all the other diehard fans in our section.

    After the game, we met up with my wife at a restaurant and relived the victory over Champagne.

    That day with my mom and my future wife is one of the best memories I have.

    clear wine glass holding champagne, one of the best memories I have with my mom and spent money on.
    Photo by Oliver Sherwin on Unsplash

    What does this have to do with money?

    What does any of this have to do with money?

    When I say money is a tool to create stories and memories, this is what I mean.

    My brother and I still joke about our nice friends, Phil and April. I wouldn’t trade that memory with my mom for anything.

    These are the types of experiences that I want more of.

    These memories, and the desire for more like them, continue to motivate me today.

    I want to be good with money, not so I can stash it in the bank, but so I can use that money to create joy for me and my family.

    Beyond that, watching the crowd at Wrigley Field last night reminded me of why I started a personal finance blog.

    It excites me to try and help people make intentional money decisions for meaningful experiences with meaningful people.

    Talking money is really just talking life.

    You may not be a baseball fan, but this conversation illustrates a foundational concept of Think and Talk Money.

    Yes, we discuss money.

    But, we’re really talking about our lives and our experiences.

    Money is just a tool to help us. 

    And before you get cynical on me, of course money is not required for good experiences. That’s not the point.

    What I’m suggesting is that if we’re all spending so much of our time each week at work, shouldn’t we spend some time thinking about the money we earn so we can maximize experiences like I had with my mom? 

    Think and Talk Money is all about awakening that thought process so we can use the tool of money to fuel meaningful lives.

    You might not use that tool to get Cubs tickets.

    But, what if you started thinking about money as just a currency that you trade to get your time back so you can do more of what you want with who you want?

    Whatever it is that you’re after in life, thinking and talking about money will help get you there.

    Have you used money as a tool recently to create stories and memories?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • How Does Your Net Worth Compare to People Your Age?

    How Does Your Net Worth Compare to People Your Age?

    Pop quiz!

    What is your net worth?

    Kudos to you if you can answer that question quickly and relatively accurately.

    Knowing your net worth indicates you are likely making intentional choices with your money. You likely are more concerned with how much money you keep, not how much you make.

    It also likely means that you have a plan and are well on your way to financial independence.

    Well done!

    If you know your net worth, you might be wondering how you measure up to people your age.

    That’s what we’re going to look at today.

    First, let’s discuss why it’s important for all of us to track our net worth.

    Download TATM Net Worth Tracker™️

    Why is it important to track your net worth?

    By tracking your net worth, you can quickly see if you are making good money decisions or need to make adjustments.

    I recommend everybody, no matter where you are in your financial journey, track your net worth.

    By the way, tracking your net worth is not a major time commitment.

    It takes me less than 30 minutes each month to track and discuss what I consider to be one of the most important metrics in personal finance.

    That’s all the time it takes to know if I am progressing towards my most important financial goals.

    If you don’t know your net worth, now is the time to start tracking it.

    The easiest way to do it is by using the TATM Net Worth Tracker™️.

    This is the template I’ve been personally using for years and have shared with hundreds of law students and lawyers.

    For a step-by-step guide to tracking your net worth, check out my post here:

    Why You Need to Track Your Net Worth Every Month

    Just like budgeting with two simple numbers, tracking your net worth is the best, and easiest, way to measure your money progress. 

    There’s no better way to learn how much money you’re keeping after a month of making money.

    Think of tracking your net worth in terms of keeping score during a basketball game.

    If you don’t know the score of the game, you don’t know if your strategy is working. You don’t know if you need to make adjustments before time runs out.

    The same applies to tracking your next worth. The point is to educate yourself on your current financial situation so you can make adjustments while there is still time.

    How do I know if I need to make adjustments based on my net worth?

    Speaking of making adjustments, it can sometimes be helpful to look at datasets to see how you measure up to the rest of the population.

    So today, we’ll look at two potentially helpfully net worth metrics.

    First, we’ll look at the average net worth of Americans by age.

    Then, we’ll look at the average net worth by age of the Top 1%.

    The goal is to give you some benchmarks so you can assess where you’re currently at. Then, you can decide if you want to make any adjustments.

    In other words, the point is to educate yourself so you can make intentional choices for your own situation. The point is not to start comparing yourself to your neighbors.

    OK, let’s get to it.

    green plant in clear glass cup indicating that net worth grows over time.
    Photo by micheile henderson on Unsplash
    Download TATM Net Worth Tracker™️

    What is the net worth of Americans by age?

    Below is the average and median net worth of Americans by age based on research from Empower.

    Keep in mind these studies are not perfect.

    It’s not an easy task to track and study net worth across a wide population. Not everyone tracks her net worth, let alone makes it easy for outsiders to track it.

    Use these figures as a rough guide to help your own decision-making. Just don’t get too caught up in the exact figures.

    Net Worth by Age


    Age    		Average Net WorthMedian Net Worth
    20s$121,004$6,609
    30s$307,343$24,247
    40s$743,456$75,719
    50s$1,330,746$191,857
    60s$1,547,378$290,447
    70s$1,444,413$233,085
    80s$1,342,656$233,436
    90s$1,212,583$205,043

    High school math refresher: The average is calculated by adding up all values in a dataset and dividing by the count. The median is the middle value of a dataset with an equal number of values above and below. Averages can be skewed by extreme values, so the median can give you a more accurate picture.

    Here are some observations about the average net worth of American by age:

    • Net worth tends to increase with age. No surprise there, right? As our careers progress, we tend to earn more and invest more money.
    • Net worth tends to peak in our 60s. This also makes sense. When people reach retirement age, they start to draw down their portfolio. They’ve spent decades accumulating wealth and eventually it’s time to spend that savings.
    • Notice the effects of compound interest. From the 20s to the 30s, we see that the median net worth nearly quadruples. That’s a 400% increase! However, it equates to a median net worth increase of only $18,000.
    • Compare that to the change from the 50s to 60s. We see that the median net worth increases by only 50%, but the result is an increase in nearly $100,000.
    • The takeaway is that when you have more money invested, smaller gains result in higher earnings. You could say, “the rich get richer.”

    What is the net worth by age of the top 1%?

    Next, let’s take a look at the average net worth by age of the Top 1%, thanks to an analysis of Federal Reserve data by DQYDJ.

    Remember, these are only rough figures. Use this data to help you strategize based on your current financial situation.

    Net Worth by Age of the Top 1%

    AgeTop 1% Net Worth
    18-24$653,224
    25-29$2,121,910
    30-34$2,636,882
    35-39$4,741,320
    40-44$7,835,420
    45-49$8,701,500
    50-54$13,231,940
    55-59$15,371,684
    60-64$17,869,960
    65-69$22,102,660
    70-74$18,761,580
    75-79$19,868,894
    80+$16,229,800

    Are these dollar amounts lower or higher than you expected?

    If these dollar amounts seem unattainable, remember that 99% of us will never hit these marks. Don’t get discouraged. You’re doing great work if you’re anywhere close to these numbers.

    Did you notice that the trends in the Top 1% net worth data are very similar to the average net worth by age data we previously looked at?

    We again see the net worth of the Top 1% peaking in the 60s.

    We also see the same effects of compound interest.

    This data reinforces the point that investing favors people who start early, even if the results do not materialize for decades. It takes time for compound interest to work its magic.

    young man and older man standing at bottom of stairs representing the importance of tracking your net worth.
    Photo by John Moeses Bauan on Unsplash

    Tracking your net worth is the best way to measure your personal financial progress.

    By now, you should have an idea of where you stand compared to the rest of the population.

    If you don’t know your net worth, you can easily figure it out using the TATM Net Worth Tracker™️.

    Here’s a preview of what the TATM Net Worth Tracker™️ looks like.

    To give you an idea, here’s what the TATM Net Worth Tracker™️looks like:

    The TATM Net Worth Tracker makes it easy to quickly calculate and visualize your net worth without needing to share your private information with any third party apps.

    Once you input the amounts for each cell in the appropriate column, a graph automatically populates so you can visualize your progress.

    The TATM Net Worth Tracker makes it easy to quickly calculate and visualize your net worth without needing to share your private information with any third party apps.

    You’ll also be able to quickly see exactly how your net worth has changed since the beginning of the year:

    The TATM Net Worth Tracker makes it easy to quickly calculate and visualize your net worth without needing to share your private information with any third party apps.

    That’s all there is to it. 

    Now, you know your net worth.

    Once you know your net worth, what can you do with this information?

    If you’re happy with how you measure up, that might mean you’ve reached a level of financial independence where you have options in life.

    Having options in life means that you’ve achieved the ultimate goal: FIPE (Financial Independence, Pivot Early).

    When you reach FIPE, you are free to pivot to a new challenge, if that’s what you want.

    On the other hand, maybe you looked at this data and learned that you are not as far along on your financial journey as you had hoped.

    Don’t panic.

    The benefit is that you can now make adjustments.

    What kind of adjustments can you make after learning your net worth?

    When you track and study your net worth, you can make adjustments while you still have time on your side.

    For example, you may decide that it’s finally time to boost your saving rate.

    After all, your saving rate is the one thing you can actually control on your way to financial independence.

    Or, you might take a fresh look at your Budget After Thinking to find ways to generate more fuel for your investments.

    And, it might mean saving and investing that one-time windfall instead of spending it on stuff you don’t really care about.

    Whatever decisions you make, knowing the average net worth by age can help point you in the right direction.

    It takes me less than 30 minutes per month to track my net worth using the TATM Net Worth Tracker™️.

    It takes me less than 30 minutes each month to track and study one of the most important numbers in personal finance.

    Each month, I’m only looking for progress compared to what my net worth was previously. 

    If my net worth increases over time, it means I am heading in the right direction.

    It means that I am continuing to fuel my Later Money goals. I am paying down debt. I’m letting my investments do their thing.

    If my net worth is not increasing, it means I need to figure out why and consider making adjustments. 

    Sometimes my net worth decreases because the markets are heading down. If that’s the case, I don’t do anything. At this stage in my life, I can afford to wait while markets tick back up.

    If the issue is that my debt is increasing, or I didn’t fuel my investments that month, I know I need to make adjustments. 

    By studying my net worth each month, I can catch these setbacks before they become a continuous problem.

    Do you track your net worth?

    Are you happy with how you measure up?

    If not, are you prepared to make the necessary adjustments?

    Download TATM Net Worth Tracker™️
  • How Much Money Did You Actually Keep This Week?

    How Much Money Did You Actually Keep This Week?

    The alarm clock goes off at 6:30 a.m.

    You groggily brush your teeth and hop in the shower.

    The hot water feels nice. Should I skip work today?

    Then, reality sets in. What time is my first meeting today?

    Shower done. Now, what to wear? The blue shirt? Again?

    Let’s go, let’s go! Pick up the pace! The kids need to get dressed and eat breakfast.

    Why are we always so rushed before school? Tomorrow, I’ll wake up earlier.

    The train will be here in 10 minutes. “Bye kids! Bye Honey!”

    I gotta get across the tracks! Speed walk!

    Phew. Made it.

    30 minutes to catch your breath before work starts.

    What day is it today? Tuesday?? It’s only Tuesday?!?!

    I’m tired.

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    How much money did you actually keep this week? #thinkandtalkmoney #personalfinance #richdadpoordad

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    Do you ever notice the people on the train?

    Does this routine sound familiar to anyone?

    At least you’ll have something to show for it come pay day.

    Wait, you go through all that effort every day and you’re not saving a good portion of your paycheck?

    Let’s talk about that.

    When I take the train downtown, I can’t help but notice my fellow passengers.

    Some people are already cranking away on their laptops. Some are even on conference calls, which always surprises me.

    Why don’t they care that everyone is annoyed with them? Do the other people on the call know that they’re talking to someone on a train?

    But, I digress.

    Some passengers are reading books. A good portion of passengers are doomscrolling. Just about everyone has headphones in.

    It’s not that people look unhappy. They just seem to want to be somewhere else.

    Do you have similar observations?

    Most people don’t have a plan.

    It’s at times like these when I start to wonder how many of these people have a plan.

    I’m not talking about a plan for lunch or for getting to the gym after work.

    I mean a plan for how to spend their time and their money.

    Ideally, this plan would be based upon spending time on meaningful pursuits with meaningful people.

    My guess is most people have never really thought about this kind of plan.

    Instead, it’s go to work. Get a paycheck. Pay the bills.

    Same thing tomorrow. That’s as far as the plan goes.

    This routine may be enough for some, or even most, people. If that’s enough for you, there’s no shame in it. Holding down a steady job and providing for your family are accomplishments to be proud of you.

    But, let’s be real.

    You’re reading a personal finance blog.

    We spend a lot of time talking about financial freedom and creating options.

    You wouldn’t still be reading if you didn’t feel there was more to life than the daily train ride, right?

    You may not know how or when to get off the train, but you’re interested in finding out if it’s possible.

    Well, it’s definitely possible. But, you need to break the cycle and commit to a plan.

    Here’s a question to help you get started.

    How many hours do you work to make money?

    Wide view image of blank black spiral note pad and white marker with calligraphic inscription plan on yellow background meaning we all need a plan to keep our money.
    Photo by Volodymyr Hryshchenko on Unsplash

    Let’s say you work 2,000 hours per year to make money (40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year). 

    We won’t even count all the hours you spend getting dressed and riding the train.

    Also, we will pretend you’re not looking at your emails in the evening, on weekends, and on family vacations. 

    We definitely won’t count the hours you’re staring at the ceiling fan worried about tomorrow’s challenges at work.

    OK, so you’re working 2,000 hours (plus) per year to make money.

    My question is:

    How many hours per year do you think about what to do with that money?

    Let that sink in for a moment.

    You work a lot of hours. I’m guessing many of those hours are stressful.

    Yes, you get paid money in exchange for those hours.

    But, do you still have any of that money?

    Do you care more about making money or keeping money?

    Think back on how much time, energy, and sacrifice you dedicated to making that money.

    Hopefully, you saved and invested a good portion of that money.

    The problem is that most lawyers and professionals work incredibly hard, make good money, and don’t keep enough of it.

    They somehow find 2,000 or 3,000 hours per year to work.

    But, they won’t set aside even a few hours per month to think about what to do with all that money.

    This is why I am passionate about money wellness.

    Most people spend the vast majority of their lives worried about making money and practically no time at all thinking about what to do with that money.

    No, I’m not suggesting that you need to think about money for 2,000 hours per year.

    What I am suggesting is that even a little bit of time each week spent thinking and talking about money is just as important as the time you spent earning it.

    That’s how you break the cycle of mindlessly riding the train to work and start progressing towards financial freedom.

    It’s not how much money you make. What matters is how much you keep.

    Robert Kiyosaki put it best in Rich Dad Poor Dad, “It’s not how much money you make. It’s how much money you keep.”

    If you knew someone who made $1,000,000 per year, and at the end of the year, had only saved $20,000, what would your reaction be?

    Sadly, this is how most people behave with their money.

    They inherently know that they should be saving more, but they come up with excuses. They assure themselves that they’ll start saving more next year.

    On the other hand, what if you knew someone who made $100,000 per year and saved $40,000?

    Did your reaction change?

    This is the kind of person who will actually achieve financial freedom and have choices in life.

    It all comes down to how much you keep, not how much you make.

    It’s why your personal saving rate is so important.

    Don’t forget, your saving rate is the one thing you can truly control.

    Bambu eco toothbrush in a glass bottle symbolizing the morning rush to get out of the house.
    Photo by Superkitina on Unsplash

    What is a saving rate?

    Your saving rate is simply the amount of money you save each month divided by the amount of money you make.

    Saving rate = Money Saved / Money Earned

    Just like staying on budget with two simple numbers, you can monitor your progress with this simple formula.

    I find it helpful to measure your saving rate based on your monthly income and savings. This way it matches up with your Budget After Thinking. 

    Tracking your saving rate will help you understand if you are making progress over time. 

    It’s not about comparing yourself to someone else. Whatever your current saving rate is, the goal is to seek personal improvement. 

    Just like with tracking your net worth, the purpose is to see if you are making personal progress over time.

    How can you make progress with your saving rate over time?

    When it comes down to it, there are really only two ways to improve your saving rate.

    1. You can spend less, and save more, of the money you’re currently making.
    2. You can make more money and save most of that money, all while keeping your expenses the same.

    Combining those two ideas is even better: make more money, spend about the same. 

    Use the excess money you make to fuel your Later Money goals.

    If you can do that, your saving rate and your net worth will steadily climb.

    You’ll realize that you’re closer to getting off the train than you think.

    How much money did you keep this week?

    When you get your next paycheck, pay attention to how much of that money you actually keep.

    Once you pay the mortgage/rent, car payment, and credit card bills, is there anything left for you?

    If your saving rate is low, this exercise should make you mad.

    Seeing 95% of your hard-earned money disappear as soon as it comes in should inspire you to make some adjustments.

    Those adjustments may be small at first. Over time, you’ll experience that it feels better to keep money than to spend money.

    Keeping money leads to options.

    Spending money leads back to the train.

    Have you ever observed your fellow commuters in the morning? What are your takeaways?

    Do you have a plan to get off the train, should that be your choice?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Your Saving Rate is the One Thing You Can Truly Control

    Your Saving Rate is the One Thing You Can Truly Control

    On your journey to financial freedom, there is only so much you can control.

    The reality is, like most things in life, much of our financial journey is out of our hands.

    If your gut reaction is that I’m wrong about that, that’s OK. I get it. I used to be in denial, too.

    Really smart people, like Think and Talk Money readers, don’t want to acknowledge that they aren’t in complete control of their financial lives.

    To illustrate my point, here are just a few things that you can’t control on your way to financial freedom:

    1. You can’t control the returns you’re going to get in the stock market. It’s reasonable to project 10% average annual returns based on historical performance. Also, we use 10% merely as a projection for planning purposes. But, there’s no guarantee anybody will earn 10% per year.
    2. You can’t control whether a real estate investment appreciates. We all certainly hope our properties increase in value over time. We do our best to target areas where appreciation is likely. But, once again, there’s no guarantee.
    3. You can’t control if your employer is going to give you a raise. Of course, you can work hard. Also, you can outperform all the metrics. You can go above and beyond to deliver massive value to your company. However, when it’s time for your annual salary review, it’s not up to you how much all that is worth.

    So, am I wrong about any of that?

    Gee, thanks for the doom and gloom, Matt.

    I know, I know. Not what you want to hear.

    Don’t be discouraged. All is not lost.

    There is one crucial element that you can control on your way to financial freedom.

    Today, we’ll focus on the one crucial element that you actually can control on your way to financial freedom.

    It’s such an important concept that Mr. Money Mustache’s blog post from years ago is still a classic: The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Early Retirement.

    Even more so, it’s such a powerful concept that you won’t find a personal finance blog, book or podcast that doesn’t emphasize its importance.

    What is the secret?

    What is the one thing you can control above all else?

    The one thing you can truly control is your saving rate.

    If you ignore every piece of investment advice out there and focus on your saving rate, you are going to be in great shape.

    Let’s examine why.

    What is a saving rate?

    Your saving rate is simply the amount of money you save each month divided by the amount of money you make.

    Saving rate = Money Saved / Money Earned

    Just like staying on budget with two simple numbers, you can monitor your progress with this simple formula.

    I find it helpful to measure your saving rate based on your monthly income and savings. This way it matches up with your Budget After Thinking. 

    I also find it most useful to express your saving rate as a percentage. To see your saving rate percentage, all you need to do is multiply your saving rate by 100.

    Saving rate % = (Money Saved / Money Earned) x 100

    Moving forward, when I refer to saving rate, I will be talking about your saving rate percentage. It’s more informative to see what percentage of your money you are saving, rather than an amount with no context.

    What I mean is this: if someone asked me if saving $10,000 per year was a good target, I wouldn’t be able to comment with more context. 

    If that person was making $75,000 per year, I would say that seems OK. That’s a saving rate of more than 13%.

    On the other hand, if someone told me they were making $750,000 per year, and only saving $10,000, I would recommend that person revisit their Budget After Thinking.

    That’s a saving rate percentage of only 1.3%.

    That’s… bad.

    Flying back from Half Moon Bay, California to San Jose I captured this moment as we were descending over the Silicon Valley representing what we can control in life like our saving rate.
    Photo by Chris Leipelt on Unsplash

    What can I learn from tracking my saving rate?

    Tracking your saving rate will help you understand if you are making progress over time. It’s not about comparing yourself to someone else.

    Whatever your current saving rate is, the goal is to seek personal improvement. Just like with tracking your net worth, the purpose is to see if you are making personal progress over time.

    When it comes down to it, there are really only two ways to improve your saving rate.

    1. You can spend less, and save more, of the money you’re currently making.
    2. You can make more money and save most of that money, all while keeping your expenses the same.

    Combining those two ideas is even better. Like we just said, make more money, spend about the same. 

    Use the excess money you make to fuel your Later Money goals.

    If you can do that, your saving rate and your net worth will steadily climb. You’ll experience that your Later Money goals are closer to becoming reality than you think.

    Why it’s important to focus what you can control, like your saving rate.

    My point here is show you how dramatically one decision can accelerate your progress towards your goals.

    Each additional amount saved is one step closer to financial freedom.

    Sometimes, we all need to ask ourselves:

    “Is spending more money right now on things I don’t really care about going to make me happier?”

    “Do I even want to go out to more restaurants? Or fancier restaurants?”

    “Do I despise my home/my car/my wardrobe so much that I must replace it immediately?”

    Only you can answer these questions. 

    Maybe you’ll realize that your life is pretty good right now as it is.

    You might just decide that you don’t need the extra money at this moment. 

    You’d rather use the money as fuel for what you really want in life.

    Here’s an example showing the importance of your saving rate.

    Scott Trench, author of one of my favorite money wellness books, Set for Life, is a big advocate of improving your saving rate.

    In a recent episode of his BiggerPockets Money podcast, Trench emphasized just how important your saving rate is using a simple example.

    Let’s use that example to explore how improving your saving rate can accelerate your journey to financial freedom.

    Assume that you earn $100,000 per year (after taxes for simplicity).

    You are a pretty good saver and save 20% of your income, or $20,000. For most people, targeting a saving rate of 20% is pretty solid.

    Of course, if you save 20% of your income, that means you spend 80% of your income, or $80,000 per year:

    • Take Home Pay: $100,000
    • Annual Spending: $80,000
    • Annual Savings: $20,000

    Based on the above, we can project how long you will have to work to fund one year of your life.

    Because you spend $80,000 per year and you save $20,000 per year, you would have to work four years to save enough money to fund one year of your lifestyle:

    $20,000 saved x 4 years = $80,000 saved (1 year of spending)

    In other words, you would need to work four years to buy one year of financial freedom.

    Not bad, huh?

    But, look what happens when you improve your saving rate.

    a woman sitting a desk with a a laptop computer representing what we can control in life like our saving rate.
    Photo by Alexandr Podvalny on Unsplash

    What happens if you double your saving rate from 20% to 40%?

    Now, let’s see what happens if you double your saving rate to 40%. That means you are saving $40,000 per year and only spending $60,000 per year.

    The result is that you now only need 1.5 years of work to fund one year of financial freedom:

    $40,000 saved x 1.5 years = $60,000 saved (1 year of spending)

    Notice that two things are happening at the same time when you increase your saving rate.

    First, you are saving more money each year. That’s a good thing.

    Second, you are spending less money each year. That’s another good thing.

    The result is that when you spend less money, you need to accumulate less money to fund your lifestyle.

    It’s a double whammy. In a good way.

    Should we complete our example by taking it one step further?

    Let’s say you have a 50% saving rate. That means you save $50,000 per year and spend $50,000 per year.

    How long do you have to work to buy one year of financial freedom?

    Only one year.

    $50,000 saved x 1 year = $50,000 saved (1 year of spending).

    Now, that’s cool.

    It’s motivating to think of your saving rate in terms of years to financial freedom.

    So, what’s the takeaway here?

    It can be extremely motivating to think of your saving rate in terms of how long you have to work until financial freedom.

    Each incremental amount that you save means you’re boosting your savings at the same time you’re reducing your spending.

    When you pull both of those levers at the same time, you accelerate your progress towards financial freedom.

    This thought process is especially helpful for people who feel that math is not their thing. It doesn’t get much simpler than viewing savings in terms of buying financial freedom.

    The cool part is that once you hit a 50% saving rate, you can essentially buy a year of financial freedom for every year that year work.

    Keep in mind that that this simple illustration ignores any investment returns you may get from your savings.

    Don’t worry, those investment returns will generally reduce the length of time you need to work even more. Check out Mr. Money Mustache’s post for more on that point.

    Setting aside investment returns, the purpose here is to drive home the point that the more you save, the faster you’ll reach financial freedom.

    That’s why it’s so important to focus on your saving rate. You can’t control everything, but you can certainly work on your saving and spending.

    Have you ever calculated your saving rate in terms of how quickly you can achieve financial freedom?

    Does this example motivate you to save even more?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Did You Win the $1.787 Billion Powerball Jackpot!?

    Did You Win the $1.787 Billion Powerball Jackpot!?

    No!?

    Me neither.

    It looks like there are two winners, one from Texas and one from Missouri, who will split the massive payout.

    It’s simply an astonishing amount of money. Congratulations to the winners!

    I can’t be the only one thinking that money like that could easily be a blessing and a curse, right?

    Hopefully, the winners take their time and come up with a plan to not only make sure the money lasts, but that they use it in a meaningful way.

    Well, just because we didn’t win doesn’t mean we can’t take advantage of this opportunity.

    In the spirit of the massive jackpot, I started thinking about what I would do in a more realistic scenario.

    Specifically, I asked myself:

    What would I do if I woke up tomorrow with $178,000 in my checking account?

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    What I’m doing if $178,000 hit my bank account today. #thinkandtalkmoney #lottery #personalfinance #financialfreedom #529plan

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    I know it’s not as exciting as thinking about what you would do with $1 billion, but I think it’s more important because it is actually realistic.

    Yes, I said realistic.

    I truly believe that if you are a high-earning professional, like a lawyer, consultant, or real estate investor, it will happen.

    There will come a point in your career (hopefully multiple points) where you earn a one-time windfall of $178,000.

    For example, it may come in the form of a bonus, a commission, or profits from a sale.

    When that time comes in your life, you want to be ready.

    The last thing you want to do is waste that golden opportunity. You may never get another chance to materially impact your life so much in one shot.

    So, let’s have some fun and plan out what we would do if we wake up tomorrow with an extra $178,000 in our bank accounts.

    Here’s exactly what I would do.

    The first thing I would do with $178,000 is pay off high interest debt.

    I think of a bonus like this as a one-time “Get Out of Jail Free” card.

    With $178,000, the first thing I would do is pay off any high interest debt that I have. High interest debt includes credit card debt, personal loans, and any lines of credit.

    My main financial goal this year was to pay off the rest of the HELOC we used to buy our last rental property. That’s my first move with this windfall.

    Once the debt is eliminated, I’ll be free to pursue more fun life goals. And, I’ll feel better without having that debt hanging over my head.

    slot machines in a casino on the Las Vegas Strip, Nevada which is not the best way to plan your financial future but is a good way to think about what you would do with a windfall.
    Photo by Steve Sawusch on Unsplash

    Next, I would set aside $15,000 to $20,000 for fun money.

    I would use about 10% of the money for fun right now. That comes out to approximately $15,000 to $20,000.

    That is the equivalent of a really nice vacation or two. Or, it could be new furniture for the house, new gadgets or toys (like a bike or golf clubs), or anything else that brings me joy.

    I’m a firm believer that we have to enjoy the journey while we’re on it. Having eliminated all high interest debt, I’ve earned the privilege to have some fun with a responsible portion of this money.

    The strange thing is that for people who are dedicated to achieving financial freedom, spending money can be very difficult.

    The temptation is to save and invest every possible dollar. As tempting as that may be, I encourage you to resist the urge to “live in the spreadsheet.”

    This is a chance to do something for yourself that brings joy and happiness. Whatever that is for you, take advantage.

    Otherwise, what’s the point in working so hard in the first place?

    Next, I would revisit my Tiara Goals for financial freedom.

    Let’s say after paying off high-interest debt and setting some money aside for fun, I have $100,000 remaining.

    What you do with the remaining $100,000 will vary depending on where you currently are in life and what your main priorities are.

    This is why I always talk about the importance of having your ultimate life goals written down and consulting them regularly.

    I refer to my ultimate life goals as my Tiara Goals. Before I save and invest the remaining $100,000, I’m going to look at my Tiara Goals for inspiration.

    With my Tiara Goals in mind, my top priorities right now are to eliminate HELOC debt, pay for my three kids’ college, and build my emergency fund.

    Each one of these priorities align with my Tiara Goals and help me get closer and closer to true financial independence.

    Because I have been aggressively acquiring real estate for the past seven years, college savings and emergency savings have been secondary goals.

    Now that I’m not presently in the market for more rental properties, I can prioritize saving for college and emergencies.

    With this windfall, I can make significant headway to satisfy both of those goals.

    I would then use $67,000 to fund my son’s college education.

    I recently used an online calculator to figure out how much money I would need to invest right now in my son’s 529 savings account to fully fund his college.

    For my calculations, I targeted the premier in-state university where I live (the University of Illinois). I assumed a 10% average annual rate of return on my investment and a 5% annual increase in tuition.

    I learned that with an investment today of $67,000, I could fully fund my son’s in-state tuition.

    The key is to let that money grow for the next 15 years to take advantage of compound interest.

    What an accomplishment that would be to not have to worry about his future college. I could cross that item off the “to-do” list once and for all.

    So, with the next $67,000 of my windfall, I would fully fund my kid’s in-state tuition.

    Disclaimer: if you’re doing this math for your own three-year-old, keep in mind that I’ve already begun to fund my son’s 529 account. The $67,000 is the difference that I need to add today in order to hit my goal. If you do the calculations yourself, you might come up with a different number.

    With my son’s college tuition taken care of, I would move onto my next goal, which is to fund my emergency savings account.

    Before we get to that, you may be wondering why I targeted the in-state school for my projections instead of aiming for a more expensive private school.

    Why did I target in-state tuition?

    It’s not that I don’t want my kids to have the option to attend a more expensive private school.

    It’s that I have other goals that I want to accomplish in my life at the same time I’m saving for college. I view the in-state tuition target as a reasonable, minimum goal to strive for.

    And, if my kid chooses to attend a more expensive private school, I plan on having additional ways to pay for it.

    For example, my overall financial plan includes owning rental properties even after my kids go to college. I can use that rental property income to help pay for college.

    Additionally, I plan on still earning income through a primary job. I can use that income to help pay for their college.

    Between now and then, I can invest in more rental properties, a traditional brokerage account, or any other investment vehicle of my choosing.

    I’ll still have the option to use that money to pay for college. The benefit is that I’ll have more flexibility.

    Plus, you never know. Maybe my kid will earn a scholarship. Maybe my kid does not end up going to college.

    Having different investments besides a college savings plan means that I’ll have options.

    slot machines showing 7's, which is not the best way to think about your future but is a good time to think about what you would do with a windfall.
    Photo by SLNC on Unsplash

    I would save the remaining $33,000 in an emergency savings account.

    Finally, I would take the remaining $33,000 and put it into a high-interest savings account.

    I have no immediate needs for this money. I have income coming in from a variety of sources, including my primary job, my rental properties and my job as an adjunct professor.

    However, it’s been a goal of mine for a few years to bump up my emergency savings. It’s been a risk not having much saved up for emergencies, and I’m taking this chance to eliminate that risk.

    Because I’m not currently in the market for more real estate, I can save this money for emergencies instead of worrying about a down payment for my next acquisition.

    With my emergency savings account more adequately funded, I can better protect myself should disaster strike.

    That’s why I’m putting the final $33,000 in my emergency savings account.

    How would you use $178,000 today?

    So, that’s how I would use a $178,000 windfall today.

    It’s not as fun as thinking about $1.78 billion, but it’s a more realistic thought experience.

    In case you’re wondering, if I had more money to invest at this point, I would focus on my baby girl’s college. I would use the same methodology that I used to plan for my son‘s college.

    No matter the amount of money, it’s good to have a plan ahead of time. As a high-earning professional, the odds are that you will earn a significant bonus like this at some point in your career.

    It might not be $178,000, but the thought process will work no matter what the amount is.

    The takeaway is that it’s always a good idea to have a plan before you earn the money.

    Enjoy some. Save and invest the bulk of it.

    What would you do with a windfall like this?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Financial Independence is Not About a Life of Deprivation

    Financial Independence is Not About a Life of Deprivation

    Stop me if you’ve heard this advice before:

    “Cancel all your subscriptions and save $1,000 a year!”

    “Cut out your morning coffee if you really want to be wealthy!”

    “Buy your Christmas presents in January when the sales start!”

    Because of advice like this, there’s a common misconception that people who want financial independence have to lead a life of deprivation.

    Nope.

    I refuse to believe that.

    Financial independence about so much more than that.

    Financial independence is not reserved for people willing to cut their spending to the bone.

    It’s for anyone willing to make intentional money decisions, including the decision to earn more money and not cut spending.

    How did financial independence become synonymous with deprivation?

    As my three-year-old asks during story time, “And, then there’s a problem?”

    Yes, son, there’s a problem.

    Too many people believe that financial independence is only about cutting spending.

    That’s a big problem that is holding people back.

    See, most of us lawyers and professionals work a ton of hours. We are already making major sacrifices.

    To throw in major reductions in spending on our way to financial independence is not a worthwhile tradeoff.

    Life is too short. None of us are guaranteed tomorrow.

    I learned this lesson a long time ago by representing clients with mesothelioma, a sudden and fatal cancer.

    That’s why I never encourage anyone to cut out spending on things and experiences that make them happy today.

    Does this mean we should all go out and spend every dollar we make?

    Of course not.

    No matter what, you’ll always need to live within your means.

    If you are spending more than you’re earning, you’ll never be financially independent.

    However, if you earn decent money and invest it the right way, you will reach financial independence.

    And, you don’t need to stop spending money on the way.

    FIRE has taken on an unintended meaning.

    One of the problems in the personal finance space is that many people first learn about financial independence in the context of FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early).

    Unfortunately, there’s a stereotype that FIRE is only for people willing to aggressively lower their expenses.

    In other words, the mistaken belief is that people who practice FIRE can only survive if they cut out most of life’s luxuries.

    Even though this misconception fails to capture the true spirt of FIRE, the damage has already been done.

    Too many people who I speak with get so discouraged by hearing “cut, cut, cut!” that they lose all interest in pursuing financial independence.

    It’s not that these people are financially irresponsible. They mostly live within their means and save for important goals.

    At the same time, they want to enjoy everything that life has to offer. And as mentioned above, I don’t mean enjoy life “years down the road.” They work hard and want to spend money to enjoy life today.

    For people like this, FIRE’s perceived focus on deprivation is unappealing.

    This is one of the reasons I don’t like to use the word FIRE around here. I prefer FIPE: Financial Independence, Pivot Early.

    Standing on a sheer ledge illustrating that financial independence is about having more, not spending less.
    Photo by Jason Hogan on Unsplash

    Have you noticed in the blog that we talk more about investing than cutting expenses?

    If you’ve been a consistent reader of the blog, you likely noticed that we haven’t talked much about cutting back on spending lately.

    We’ve been focused on creating wealth through investing, whether your preference is to invest in stocks or real estate.

    I certainly encourage people to generate as much fuel as possible for their investments, especially early in their careers.

    That way, you can benefit from long-term wealth generators like compound interest and appreciation.

    Generating more money to invest, of course, involves making spending choices. These types of choices are the essence of the budgeting process.

    However, instead of focusing on cutting your expenses to the bone, I recommend you create a reasonable Budget After Thinking that you can actually stick to.

    If you eliminate all the fun stuff, no budget will last very long.

    In a lot of ways, this advice is like dieting. Sure, you can lose 10 pounds in a few weeks if you eliminate every indulgence. But, how long is that diet going to work?

    I recommend that you have a budget that you can stick to long term. Then, commit yourself to fighting lifestyle creep as you start making more money.

    If you can do those two things, you don’t have to dramatically cut your expenses.

    Yes, you have to keep your spending within reason.

    No, you don’t have to cancel all your subscriptions.

    Focus on earning more, not just spending less.

    A good friend of ours just made $750 by doing one property showing. In total, she probably worked an hour to earn that money.

    Compare that to the advice of cutting out your daily coffee ritual. If you consciously deprive yourself of coffee every day for an entire year, you could save about $1,000.

    What would you rather do?

    Work just a little bit more with a side hustle of your choosing, or cut out something that you enjoy each morning?

    Do you really have to think that long about it?

    Of course, you already know which option I’m pursuing.

    woman sitting by water Bodega Bay ocean with woman standing by water illustrating that financial independence is about having more, not spending less.
    Photo by Becca Tapert on Unsplash

    I am a big fan of side hustle.

    I’ve had side hustles for just about my entire career as a lawyer.

    My first side hustle was as an adjunct professor at a local law school, teaching just one class. I eventually turned that into teaching four classes.

    In the meantime, I also launched a rental property business with my wife, now managing 11 units in Chicago and Colorado.

    We’re doing this with three young kids at home. I’m not bragging. My point is that I roll my eyes whenever anyone tells me he is too busy to make extra money.

    By the way, earning more money does not only apply to side hustles.

    There are always ways to make more money within your primary job.

    For example, can you earn a larger bonus by performing better?

    Can you ask your employer for more responsibilities and a corresponding raise?

    Or, can you earn additional money by generating business for your company?

    Lawyers, like most professionals, have the ability to earn more money if they generate business. That means bringing in clients.

    How can you find these clients?

    You can make it a priority to go to more events where you might meet potential clients.

    You could launch a blog or create other content to help people find you and know what you do.

    Either one of these pursuits could be your side hustle.

    There are endless opportunities for anyone that is motivated and is looking to earn more money.

    And when you earn that additional money, you’re on your way to financial independence without having to sacrifice the things that make your daily life enjoyable.

    OK, but I don’t even like coffee.

    I know, I’m picking on coffee. Coffee is an easy target, but it’s just one example.

    Maybe coffee is not your problem. Let’s say that you’ve cut out family vacations.

    Family vacations can be expensive. There’s no doubt about it.

    But instead of eliminating vacations, what if you could find a way to earn an extra $5,000? That could turn into a really nice family vacation.

    For some people, this is a no-brainer. They find a way to earn more money.

    Other people will simply skip the family vacation because it’s too expensive.

    At this stage in my life, I’m not willing to do that. I have three young kids. I already feel like they’re growing up too fast.

    A year ago, my daughter wouldn’t let go of my hand when I walked her to school. Now, she’s “too cool” to waive goodbye to Daddy.

    The idea of skipping out on family vacations does not appeal to me at all. I know that there will come a day when I would really regret that choice.

    Instead of eliminating family vacations, I would rather find a way to make more money.

    You can have anything you want; you just can’t have everything.

    Warren Buffett famously told his kids that they could have anything they wanted. They just couldn’t have everything.

    That sums up my approaching to spending. If there’s something I truly want that doesn’t currently fit in my budget, I would prefer to earn more instead of giving up on having that thing or experience.

    I might get there through a side hustle. I might get there through investing. If it’s something I value enough, I will get there one way or the other.

    If you focus on your income, not just cutting expenses, you can continue your journey to financial independence without giving up these things that make life special.

    Or, you can cut out the coffee and vacations, if that’s your preference.

    I’d rather challenge myself to make more money so I don’t have to make those sacrifices.

    Do you think financial independence is only for people willing to aggressively cut their spending?

    Or, do you agree that financial independence is for anybody willing to work for it?

  • When Money is Tight, Think Even More About The Future

    When Money is Tight, Think Even More About The Future

    “Money is tight.”

    “I’m worried about today. I’ll deal with tomorrow later.”

    “If I cut out vacations and saving for retirement, I can make it work.”

    Have you ever heard money excuses like this before?

    I recently had a couple of great talks that got me thinking about comments like this. These talks led me to think about common money mindsets we sometimes have when we’re worried about paying for things today.

    For many of us, the natural inclination when money is tight is to ignore the future and focus on today.

    The pattern goes something like this:

    Go to work, pay the bills, keep food on the table.

    Wake up and do it all over again tomorrow.

    Dream about life-enriching experiences and retirement later.

    The problem with this money mindset: how are you ever going to break the cycle?

    How are you ever going to progress towards financial independence so your life is not stuck on auto-pilot?

    My challenge to you?

    When money is tight, think long and hard about the future. Think about what comes next.

    Use a challenging period in your life as motivation to do things differently.

    It helps to picture yourself 10 years from now. Imagine you don’t do anything differently.

    Same Job. Same bills. The cycle continues.

    Do you like what you see?

    If you do, no need to read any further. Keep doing what you’re doing.

    If you don’t like what you see, let me share another perspective with you.

    Let’s use the future as motivation to make the hard decisions today.

    That way, you can spend your money (and time) on the things and experiences that bring you happiness in life.

    How do we break the cycle?

    It all starts with revisiting our spending choices and our Budget After Thinking.

    Budgeting is about having a plan ahead of time.

    The art of budgeting is to know what you want to do with your money before it hits your checking account.

    Otherwise, it’s too late. Those dollars will disappear.

    In fact, the word “budget” is synonymous with “plan”.

    Some dollars will be used to pay your ordinary life expenses, some dollars will be used for all the things in life you love, and some dollars will go to your financial goals.

    That’s all there is to it.

    When it comes to budgeting, I divide my money into three primary categories:

    1. Now Money
    2. Life Money
    3. Later Money

    Now Money

    Now Money is what you need to pay for basic life expenses.

    These are expenses that you can’t avoid and should be relatively fixed each month. If you have expenses for kids, pets, and other fixed life expenses, be sure to include them in your Now Money category.

    a note pad and person writing goals with black pen to illustrate the importance of not ignoring your Later Money goals.
    Photo by Glenn Carstens-Peters on Unsplash

    Life Money

    Life Money is what you are going to spend every month on things and experiences in life that you love.

    This bucket includes dining out, concerts, vacations, subscriptions, gifts, and anything else that brings you joy. 

    We can’t be afraid to spend this money. This bucket is usually what makes life fun and exciting. The key is to think and talk so you are spending this money consistently on things that matter to you.

    Later Money

    Later Money is what you are saving, investing, or using to pay off debt.

    This bucket includes long term goals, such as retirement plan contributions (like a 401k or Roth IRA), college savings for your kids (like a 529 plan), emergency savings and paying off student loan or credit card debt.

    This bucket also includes any shorter term goals, like saving for a wedding or a downpayment for a house. 

    Most fun of all, this bucket includes any investments you make to more quickly grow your wealth, like investing in real estate or the stock market.

    Later Money is the key category that fuels your ultimate life goals, like financial independence. The more you fuel this category, the faster you can reach your goals.

    Your budget is really just about finding fuel for the best things in life.

    This is where we circle back to the importance of having a clear understanding of what we want out of our money.

    Money is just a tool.

    Ask yourself:

    “Is your current spending aligned with how you want to use your money to fuel your goals and ambitions?”

    If not, you can make incremental adjustments as you progress towards your ideal spending alignment.

    The idea is to continuously add more fuel to our Life Money and Later Money. Why?

    These are the buckets that represent the things we love the most (Life Money) and our most important life goals (Later Money).

    When money is tight, resist the urge to cut these expenses from your budget. These are the expenditures that oftentimes give meaning to life and allow us to build a future on our terms.

    Instead, focus on the Now Money bucket as much as possible.

    For some ideas on how to do that, check out my Top 10 Budgeting Tips for Lawyers and Professionals.

    You can make small adjustments, which are usually easier and faster to put in place. These adjustments might include dining out a bit less, cutting out a concert, or cancelling a gym membership or subscription you don’t use.

    You can also make big adjustments, like moving to a cheaper part of town or getting rid of you car.

    Small or big, the key is that when you make these adjustments, you repurpose that money in a thoughtful and intentional way. You’re now starting to align your budget with your money motivations.

    These adjustments will give you options in the future.

    With each thoughtful decision, you’re progressing towards your best money life. Most importantly, you’re learning about yourself and developing lasting habits. You won’t get discouraged and give up on budgeting.

    Rise to your ultimate life goals with Later Money or get stuck behind.
    Photo by Ian Chen on Unsplash

    What do you really want out of life?

    Creating a Budget After Thinking is really all about one question:

    What do you really want out of life?

    When you prioritize Life Money (experiences) and Later Money (financial freedom), each dollar you spend or invest brings you one step closer to that ideal life.

    If you are totally consumed with Now Money, you’ll struggle to build the life that you really want.

    I started thinking about what my ideal life would look like when I wrote down my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom in 2017.

    By that point in my life, I had paid off my student loan debt and was about to get married.

    My soon-to-be wife and I had good money coming in, but I never truly thought about what I wanted in life. Sure, I had thought about things like having a family and being able to take vacations. 

    But, I never carved out time to purposefully think hard about what I actually wanted. I had never asked myself what truly motivates me.

    I never allowed myself to dream about financial freedom.

    The truth is, I don’t think I had ever visualized a life that wasn’t dominated by a full-time job.

    Up to that point, my whole life had revolved around getting an education and then getting a job. I never pictured a world where I might not need a full-time job to provide for myself and eventually my family. 

    I had read about the concept of being financially free, but it always seemed like a possibility for other people, not me.

    Writing this years later, I feel sad for that version of myself for having such limiting beliefs.

    Whenever someone tells me she doesn’t make enough money to dream about the future, I think about those same limiting beliefs I used to have.

    That’s the cycle I’m hoping to help people break.

    When money is tight, think about the future.

    When it comes to spending choices, resist the urge to cut the things from your budget that make life what it is. That might mean money spent today on memorable experiences, like vacations.

    Or, it might mean money saved and invested to provide yourself more options down the road.

    The key is to break the thoughtless spending cycle that can make your life feel like it’s stuck in place.

    Create a Budget After Thinking that prioritizes what you truly value.

    Money might still be tight, but you’ll know you’re spending on things that matter.

    You’ll know that you’ll have options in the future.

  • Coast FIRE Will Help You Realize When Enough is Enough

    Coast FIRE Will Help You Realize When Enough is Enough

    What are you chasing in life?

    Professional accolades?

    Tens of millions of dollars?

    The ability to retire someday?

    Do you even know?

    Most lawyers and professionals have a complicated relationship with their careers. That’s a topic for another day. Suffice it to say, the relationship evolves over time.

    In the beginning, we’re mostly satisfied to have a decent job. We’re proud of what we’ve accomplished to get this far. We can put our skills to use and start living like adults.

    This phase typically lasts until we develop confidence and realize that we’re pretty good at our jobs. We know that we can take on more responsibility and perform more challenging work.

    At this point, we begin to work harder than ever. Oftentimes (but not always), we make more money.

    We tell ourselves that we’re doing important work. We even start to earn recognition and receive awards from professional groups.

    The thing is: we haven’t ever questioned why we’re doing it and what we’re chasing.

    Somewhere along the way, our work becomes our identities.

    Is your job the most important thing in your life?

    How would your spouse or kids answer that question about you?

    When your job is the top priority in your life, your health, relationships, and personal interests all take a back seat.

    Many of us prioritize our jobs above all else until we get around to retiring in our sixties or seventies.

    We never stop to think about whether there’s another way. We’re stuck on autopilot.

    Earn a paycheck, buy nice things, save for retirement.

    It’s that last part that we oftentimes use as justification for working so much: saving for retirement.

    Part of the problem is that we’ve been programmed to think that saving enough for retirement is a never-ending challenge.

    We’ve been brainwashed to think that unless you save 10-20% of your paycheck for the rest of your life, you’ll never comfortably retire.

    These fears are strong enough to push us to chase more money. To save endlessly for retirement.

    Because if you don’t save enough, so we’re told, you’ll never get that lake house in Wisconsin you’ve always dreamed about. Instead, you’ll be living in your kid’s basement.

    Now, don’t get me wrong. Saving for retirement is extremely important. It’s one of the bedrocks of personal finance.

    But, saving enough for retirement is not an impossible goal. It is most definitely an achievable goal.

    For many of us, it’s achievable earlier in life than we ever thought possible.

    Once you accept the fact that you actually can save enough for retirement, you give yourself permission to ask, “When is enough is enough?”

    This is where Coast FIRE comes in.

    With the money mindset hack of Coast FIRE, you can tell yourself, “I have saved enough for retirement. Cross that major goal off of the list.”

    Enough is enough.

    With retirement taken care of, you can think about what else to do with your time and money.

    That might mean staying exactly where you are: same job, same house, same vacations. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    If it is broke, you can pivot.

    You can start to dissect exactly what it is that you’re chasing in life.

    a sign that says enough is enough indicating when you have enough saved for retirement you can pivot to other pursuits because of Coast FIRE.
    Photo by Suzi Kim on Unsplash

    What is Coast FIRE?

    Coast FIRE is a subset of FIRE for people who are not necessarily trying to retire early.

    Instead, the idea is to aggressively fund your retirement accounts early on so you have more options as your career progresses.

    The reason you’ll have options is because once you hit your projected magic retirement number, you no longer need to fund your retirement accounts.

    You can sit back and let compound interest do its thing. Your retirement years are covered.

    With retirement covered, you don’t need to earn as much money. You can focus more attention on your present-day self. That might mean working less hours or working the same amount but in a different job.

    This is the essence of Coast FIRE: knock out retirement planning early on to create more career flexibility later.

    Coast FIRE does not mean complete financial independence.

    When you reach Coast FIRE, you are not financially independent because you still need money coming in to fund your current lifestyle.

    But, you need less money because you no longer need to save for the important goal of retirement. That means you have earned some financial freedom, but not complete freedom.

    That’s OK.

    Remember, the part that separates Coast FIRE from traditional FIRE is that early retirement is not the goal.

    Instead, Coast FIRE means continuing to work until normal retirement age (like age 65) but having more freedom in what you do for work.

    To put a bow on it: the main money mindset benefit of Coast FIRE is that you have options once you’ve already put away enough money for retirement.

    With retirement taken care of, you can:

    1. Switch to a lower paying job or lower stress job.
    2. Become a stay-at-home parent and live off of one spouse’s income.
    3. Start a business.
    4. Grow your side hustle.
    5. Take some time off to think about what you want to do next.

    With Coast FIRE, each of these options feels safer because you’ve already fully funded your retirement.

    Knowing when enough is enough.

    Towards the end of 2024, I had a breakthrough moment thinking about when enough is enough.

    Earlier that year, we had moved into our “forever home.” I had traded in my 20-year-old car for a new one. My wife and I were expecting our third child.

    As it happens, I was reading an excellent book on real estate investing written by Chad “Coach” Carson.

    His book is called Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor: How to Reach Financial Freedom with Fewer Rental Properties.

    In his book, Coach Carson makes a compelling argument to think about when enough is enough.

    His message was about acquiring more and more real estate, to no end, but also applies to any pursuit in life.

    Reading Small and Mighty Real Estate Investor helped my wife and I conclude that at this point in our lives, we have enough.

    If anything, we’re closer to having too much on our plates. We self-manage our 10 units in Chicago and work closely with a property manager in Colorado.

    With our full-time jobs and kids at home, we’ve bitten off as much as we can chew.

    Our portfolio generates enough income to help fuel our current goals. If we were to continue expanding, the headaches could end up outweighing the financial benefits.

    We want to build a life full of experiences and memories. That means we need more time, not more money. Acquiring and managing more properties right now would take up a lot of time.

    That tradeoff is not currently worth it to us.

    Overload Patty Burger illustrating that enough is enough with Coast FIRE.
    Photo by Snappr on Unsplash

    What would you do with your time if money was not an obstacle?

    Whenever I think of Coast FIRE, I’m reminded of a conversation I had with a friend earlier this year.

    We were having lunch at a downtown Chicago lunch spot that’s been serving up epic burgers since the 1970’s. My friend and I are both balancing careers as lawyers in Chicago with young families at home.

    In between bites of a massive BBQ-bacon-cheeseburger, I asked him a question I like asking smart people:

    “What would you do with your time if money wasn’t an obstacle?”

    Without hesitation, he answered that he would work with his hands.

    He likes working on projects around the house. He gets immediate satisfaction from completing a repair or making an improvement.

    His answer was great and very relatable. My years as a landlord has taught me the same feeling of satisfaction in completing a project.

    What stood out to me the most was how quickly he answered the question. He knew exactly what he would do if money was not an obstacle.

    This simple question helps illustrate what I mean by Coast FIRE.

    When you achieve Coast FIRE, you can afford to take a pay cut. You can choose to work a job that you enjoy for less money.

    It’s not an easy goal to accomplish, but I can’t think of a better goal to strive for.

    By the way, since having that burger with my friend, he left his old job for one that better fits his life goals. I’m thrilled for him.

    Coast FIRE is not about giving up.

    Some critics of Coast FIRE argue that it’s just a catch phrase for quitting on your career too early. They say the consequences of having a “bad retirement” are too severe.

    The way I see it: having a “bad life” now in hopes of a “good retirement” later is not a worthwhile trade off.

    You can certainly prioritize making the most money in life. That might mean continuing to earn and earn so you can invest in the stock market or purchase more rental properties.

    But, at some point, you don’t need any more money. At some point, you need to know when enough is enough.

    Coast FIRE is about exactly that: knowing when enough is enough.

    Have you thought about when enough is enough?

    Does Coast FIRE help you visualize that moment?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Why Coast FIRE is a Powerful Money Mindset Hack

    Why Coast FIRE is a Powerful Money Mindset Hack

    Are you working a job you don’t like because you’re worried about saving enough for retirement?

    Well, what if you already have more than enough saved for retirement?

    Would that give you confidence to think about switching jobs? Maybe to a job that pays less but better fits your life goals?

    Think about it.

    If you didn’t have to save another dollar between now and retirement age, would that give you more career freedom?

    Would you start looking for that job you really want instead of the job that pays the most?

    To explore these questions, let’s look at the money mindset concept known as “Coast FIRE.”

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    Overview of the Coast FIRE 🔥 movement. #thinkandtalkmoney #coastfire #finiancialindependence #financialfreedom

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    What is Coast FIRE?

    Coast FIRE is a subset of FIRE for people who are not necessarily trying to retire early.

    Instead, the idea is to aggressively fund your retirement accounts early on so you have more options as your career progresses.

    The reason you’ll have options is because once you hit your projected magic retirement number, you no longer need to fund your retirement accounts.

    You can sit back and let compound interest do its thing. Your retirement years are covered.

    With retirement covered, you don’t need to earn as much money. You can focus more attention on your present-day self. That might mean working less hours or working the same amount but in a different job.

    This is the essence of Coast FIRE: knock out retirement planning early on to create more career flexibility later.

    Coast FIRE does not mean complete financial independence.

    When you reach Coast FIRE, you are not financially independent because you still need money coming in to fund your current lifestyle.

    But, you need less money because you no longer need to save for the important goal of retirement. That means you have earned some financial freedom, but not complete freedom.

    That’s OK.

    Remember, the part that separates Coast FIRE from traditional FIRE is that early retirement is not the goal.

    Instead, Coast FIRE means continuing to work until normal retirement age (like age 65) but having more freedom in what you do for work.

    To put a bow on it: the main money mindset benefit of Coast FIRE is that you have options once you’ve already put away enough money for retirement.

    With retirement taken care of, you can:

    1. Switch to a lower paying job or lower stress job.
    2. Become a stay-at-home parent and live off of one spouse’s income.
    3. Start a business.
    4. Grow your side hustle.
    5. Take some time off to think about what you want to do next.

    With Coast FIRE, each of these options feels safer because you’ve already fully funded your retirement.

    That’s a powerful feeling.

    You can take a pay cut for a better job with Coast FIRE.

    Let’s say you earn $200,000 and save 20% of your salary ($40,000) for retirement.

    Once you reach your retirement goal, you no longer have that $40,000 obligation. You have achieved Coast FIRE.

    With that extra $40,000, you have options. You could:

    1. Live it up and spend the money on stuff you don’t care about.
    2. Repurpose the money towards another financial goal.
    3. Switch to a more attractive job that may only pay $160,000.

    Whatever you choose, the point is that you have options.

    If your job is slowly killing you inside, Coast FIRE provides the money mindset to explore other jobs.

    It’s no secret that lawyers typically work long, stressful hours. That’s why burnout amongst lawyers is unfortunately a common occurrence.

    For example, you may have begrudgingly taken a high-paying job out of law school to pay down your loans faster. By the way, there’s nothing at all wrong with that.

    Now, with your loans gone and your retirement savings in good shape, maybe you’d like to explore a less stressful job.

    Maybe you’re ready to pursue that less lucrative career that was the reason you went to law school in the first place.

    Maybe you’re ready to stay at home with your kids and live off of one spouse’s income.

    Of course, burnout is not limited to lawyers. Many professionals today are experiencing burnout.

    Have you been putting off that career change? Does this sound too familiar?

    Coast FIRE allows you to find a job that fits your life better knowing you don’t need to make as much money.

    aerial view of beach with mountains in the backdrop indicating the power of coast FIRE as a money mindset hack.
    Photo by Rod Long on Unsplash

    Financial Independence Pivot Early (FIPE)

    If you’ve been a follower of Think and Talk Money, you know I don’t like the term “FIRE.”

    The problem for me is that the FIRE end game is suggested right there in the name: become financially independent so you can retire.

    If you’re anything like me, you didn’t pay all that money to go to law school just to retire in your peak-earning years. There’s plenty of meaningful work still to do.

    It’s not uncommon for people to hear about financial independence and immediately think that’s only for people who want to quit their jobs and retire on a beach somewhere.

    I don’t think that’s what financial independence is about at all.

    Financial independence is all about creating options.

    When you’re financially independent, you can make decisions based on your core values instead of making decisions based on money.

    You can pivot.

    That’s why I believe in FIPE not FIRE.

    I prefer to think about pivoting, not retiring.

    Pivot means to adapt or improve through modifications and adjustments.

    That sounds appealing to me.

    Retire means to withdraw, to retreat, to recede.

    None of those things sound appealing to me at all.

    Retiring sounds like moving backwards. I’m not working so hard to achieve financial freedom so I can move backwards in life.

    With FIPE, financial independence is still the primary goal. But, the endgame is not to withdraw or retreat.

    The endgame is to adapt and improve how you spend your working hours.

    Financial independence is for people who want to be empowered to take more control of what they do with their working hours.

    It’s not about quitting work entirely.

    It’s about the freedom to pivot to other work, if you want. I’m convinced that humans are meant to be productive. We are social creatures who at our core want to be contributing.

    That doesn’t mean we have to be or want to be employees. But, it does mean that we want to do something meaningful with our working hours every week.

    That’s why I believe in the power of pivoting, not retiring.

    That’s what FIPE is all about.

    And, that’s what Coast FIRE allows you to do.

    Financial independence is about much more than retiring early.

    FIRE emphasizes saving more and spending less until you reach the point where your passive investments generate enough income to allow you to quit your job.

    I love this part of FIRE: the idea of creating enough income streams so that you have the freedom to do what you want with your time.

    I share the primary goal of saving more money and spending less to achieve more life freedom.

    By the way, I call this Parachute Money. I like to view each income stream as a separate parachute string. The more parachute strings you have, the safer it is to make a big change in life.

    The problem becomes when people are so focused on achieving FIRE that they sacrifice too much of their current lives.

    Yes, you’ll achieve FIRE faster if you save 90% of your salary.

    But, what kind of life are you left with in the meantime?

    Coast FIRE is less about the grind and more about enjoying the process.

    The goal is still to be financially independent, even with the recognition that it will take longer to get there.

    seashore during daytime showing the money mindset hack of Coast FIRE.
    Photo by britt gaiser on Unsplash

    FIPE and Coast FIRE work well together.

    FIPE and Coast FIRE are similar because they are for people who are looking for change but are not looking to retire.

    By having enough saved up for retirement before you make that change, you’re giving yourself a layer of protection.

    You’re giving yourself the freedom to explore better work situations for your personal situation.

    That’s why Coast FIRE and FIPE work well together.

    Both money mindsets actually encapsulate the entire purpose of financial independence in the first place:

    To create options.

    Read Die with Zero by Bill Perkins

    If you don’t like the idea of Coast FIRE and foregoing future retirement contributions, you need to read Die with Zero.

    No money mindset book has led to more passionate conversations with my friends and family members than Die with Zero.

    First, Perkins encourages us to think about whether we are working too many hours.

    In Perkins’ view, the problem is that we are sacrificing the best years of our lives. Instead, we could be creating lifelong memories.

    In that same vein, Perkins makes a strong case that many of us are saving too much for retirement.

    Also, Perkins questions the conventional wisdom of waiting until we die to pass money onto our kids. Instead, he suggests helping our kids earlier in life when the money will be more meaningful.

    Read Die With Zero. This money mindset book will motivate you to book that vacation you’ve been putting off.

    Also, read A Richer Retirement by Bill Bengen.

    Bill Bengen, creator of the 4% Rule, just released a new book with some fun news for all of us saving for retirement.

    Bengen’s updated research shows that it’s safe to increase your withdrawal rate in retirement from 4% to 4.7%.

    If you are retiring today, it gets even better. Bengen’s research shows that you can safely withdraw around 5.25%.

    Bengen’s new book is called A Richer Retirement: Supercharging the 4% Rule to Spend More and Enjoy More.

    If you’re not sure about how much you need to save for retirement, Bengen has the answers. He’s done the research and done the math.

    His conclusions will give you the confidence to select a magic retirement number that works for you. Once you reach that number, you don’t have to worry about saving more for retirement.

    Coast FIRE will open your eyes.

    Coast FIRE is a powerful money mindset hack.

    When you reach Coast FIRE, you no longer need to save for retirement.

    That gives you a lot of options, including switching to a job that better suits your lifestyle.

    If you feel like you’re far away from retiring, Coast FIRE is the money mindset hack to start making you feel better about your progress.

    In our next post, we’ll do some math together to figure out what your Coast FIRE number is so you can measure your progress.

    Are you interested in creating options to pivot instead of retire?

    Have you thought about Coast FIRE in the past?

    What about FIPE?

  • Capital One Settlement: A Reminder to Evaluate Your Bank

    Capital One Settlement: A Reminder to Evaluate Your Bank

    How long have you been with your current bank?

    Do you even remember why you opened an account with that bank in the first place?

    For many of us, we opened our first “adult” bank accounts in our 20s. We probably just picked the closest bank to our apartment. I doubt many of us (myself included) put much thought into who we banked with.

    Because it’s human nature to resist change, I’m guessing many of us have never thought about whether that bank is still a good fit at the current stage of our lives.

    In light of Capital One’s massive class action settlement based on allegations that it deceived its customers, now seems like as good a time as ever to revaluate who we bank with.

    More on the settlement below.

    First, a little personal context about why I’m thrilled that Capital One is not getting away with its deceptive scheme.

    I banked with Capital One for many years.

    For a long time, I used Capital One for all my savings accounts. When I started law school in 2006, there was a Capital One cafe right next to my school.

    You could get a cup of coffee for $.75 and talk to a banker at the same time. It was a cool concept and convinced me to bank with Capital One.

    I told everyone about how great Capital One was. I had Capital One savings accounts and a Capital One credit card. You could say I was a huge Capital One fan.

    Key word: was.

    In November 2023, I had been a loyal Capital one customer for 17 years. This was during the time period when interest rates on savings accounts were rising dramatically. 

    Many banks were advertising rates as high as 4% or 5%, which were higher than most of us had ever seen.

    One day that November, for whatever reason, I logged into my Capital One account to see what rate I was earning.

    I was sure it would be in the 4% range, and probably closer to 5%, since Capital One was a leader in online banking.

    When my statement loaded, I was shocked.

    0.30%!

    Shocked probably isn’t the right word. I was disgusted. 

    0.30% in 2023 might as well have been 0.0%.

    I refused to believe that a bank that I had banked with for 17 years could do this to a loyal customer.

    What the heck happened?

    Well, Capital One, unbeknownst to me, switched my savings from its high interest platform into an account with the much lower interest rate.

    At the same time, Capital One was still advertising and offering top rates to new customers.

    When I discovered the sneaky switch, I immediately closed all of my accounts and transferred my money to a new bank. I no longer have a Capital One credit card, either.

    It wasn’t the amount of interest I lost out on that bothered me. 

    This all happened during that time when my wife and I were aggressively acquiring properties, so we never had a lot of money sitting in savings for an extended period.

    So, my anger wasn’t just about the interest.

    For me, it was about the principle. I don’t want to have any relationship with a bank that would do that to its customers, especially long-term customers like me.

    I did a quick search in my inbox and found a Capital One statement from December 2022 showing a 0.30% interest rate. That means Capital One had deceived me for at least a year before I caught on. 

    I have to admit that writing this post is reopening old wounds. Although, learning about the settlement definitely helps.

    a bank sign lit up in the dark as a reminder to always evaluate your banking relationships.
    Photo by POURIA 🦋 on Unsplash

    I am happy to report that Capital One did not get away with it.

    It wasn’t just me who was getting ripped off by Capital One.

    I am one of the many people that Capital One switched out of high interest rate savings accounts into inferior products.

    These deceptive practices were subject of a federal lawsuit brought by the Consumer Federal Protection Bureau.

    Additionally, disgruntled customers filed a class action lawsuit to recoup the interest that people like me missed out on.

    All is well that ends well, right?

    I am pleased to share that Capital One agreed to a $425 million class action settlement for its deceptive practices.

    A court hearing for final approval of the settlement has been scheduled for November 6, 2025.

    If you are, or were, a Capital One 360 Savings account holder at any time from September 18, 2019, through June 16, 2025, you are automatically eligible for benefits. You do not need to fill out a claim form.

    Note: if you’d like to update your mailing address or receive an electronic payment, you can do so here.

    What are the terms of the settlement?

    According to the Notice of Settlement:

    Capital One shall pay $300 million, to be used to make pro rata payments to settlement class members relative to the approximate amount of interest each settlement class member would have earned if their 360 Savings account(s) had paid the interest rate then applicable to the 360 Performance Savings account.

    Translation: if you had a Capital One 360 account, you are going to be paid “some” of the interest you were owed.

    The reason I say “some” is because of the word “relative” in the above paragraph from the notice.

    Capital One allegedly cheated customers out of $2 billion in interest. The settlement is for $425 million. Based on that discrepancy, it does not appear we will get all of the interest we are owed.

    Hopefully, I’m wrong about that and we all receive the full interest we are owed.

    Disclaimer: I am not involved in the settlement negotiations and this is not legal advice.

    If you remained a customer, you will receive an additional settlement amount:

    The second component consists of $125 million, which will be paid by Capital One as additional interest payments to settlement class members who continue to maintain 360 Savings accounts (presently approximately 3/4 of the settlement class). In order to accomplish such additional interest payments, Capital One shall maintain an interest rate on the 360 Savings account of at least two times the national average rate for savings deposit accounts as calculated by the FDIC.

    Translation: If you continue to bank with Capital One, you will receive some additional money. How much you’ll get is complicated.

    By the way, I am happy to learn that customers who stayed with Capital One despite its deceptive practices will earn some additional money.

    In the end, regardless of how much we receive, this news makes me very happy.

    I don’t really care about the payment at this point. I’m happy that Capital One isn’t getting away with its deceptive practices.

    And, I’m happy that news of the settlement serves as a good reminder for all of us to evaluate our current banking arrangements.

    Even with the settlement, I still won’t bank with Capital One again. I cancelled my accounts as soon as I learned that the bank was ripping me off.

    Maybe I’m being childish, but I still refuse to give my business to a company that blatantly deceives its long-time customers.

    ATM showing the importance of always evaluating your banking relationship.
    Photo by Johnyvino on Unsplash

    Why do stories like Capital One’s deceptive practices matter?

    The lesson here is that we all need to regularly evaluate our banking relationships. There is no such thing as “set it and forget it” when it comes to our money.

    You could say stories like this are good reminders to regularly think and talk about money.

    The last thing any of us needs is to be tricked by our own banks. The more we talk about what’s going on, the better chance we will catch these schemes before it’s too late.

    The point is: no matter how much you trust your bank, keep an eye on your accounts.

    No, I am not so cynical that I think all banks are out there intentionally ripping us off.

    However, massive scandals like this are not the only red flags to look out for. Banks notoriously have hidden fees and confusing rules.

    If you are not paying attention to your money, you may be unknowingly paying fees or missing out on better opportunities. It’s up to each of us to regularly evaluate whether our bank is continually providing us with the services we need.

    Are you a current or former Capital One customer?

    If this is the first you’re hearing about Capital One’s deceptive practices, will you continue to bank with them?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Dreaming About Rental Properties but Ignoring Money Mindset?

    Dreaming About Rental Properties but Ignoring Money Mindset?

    Do you dream about owning rental properties so you can generate semi-passive income while spending more time with your family?

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    Nothing else matters if you don’t have the right money mindset. #thinkandtalkmoney #moneymindset #personalfinance

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    I want to hear about those dreams. What would you do with that time?

    Travel?

    Exercise?

    Read?

    It’s so motivating for me to learn what you would do with that kind of freedom.

    At the same time, it’s my job to remind you to not ignore key personal finance fundamentals while you’re dreaming about the future.

    When it comes to buying rental properties, this is especially true.

    Let me explain.

    If you’ve been keeping up with the blog, we’ve now learned how to run the numbers on potential real estate deals.

    In fact, I showed you that the analysis is not actually that hard. Your job is simply to account for the fixed costs and make informed predictions for the speculative costs.

    Then, we did the math together on an actual property in my target zone. By using a real example in Chicago, my goal was to further convince you that running the numbers should be easy.

    Finally, we talked about how to evaluate a rental property when the initial math looks bad. The truth is most rental properties are not going to immediately look like great investments. It’s our job as investors to negotiate and look for potential.

    By this point, you may be thinking that buying a rental property sounds great, except for one big problem:

    How are you supposed to come up with the money for a downpayment?

    Great question.

    It’s such a great question that it requires us to take a step back.

    Before evaluating rental properties, you need to evaluate your personal finances.

    It’s no secret that in order to buy a rental property, you first need available money for the downpayment.

    Unless you plan on taking on partners or getting the money from family, coming up with a sufficient downpayment is a major challenge.

    Yes, there are loan options available that require a smaller downpayment. We’ll soon talk about some of those options. I’ve used loans like this in the past.

    Still, a “smaller downpayment” does not mean “no downpayment.”

    So, how can you come up with a downpayment?

    For a downpayment, you need to have available money.

    To have available money, you need a budget that actually works.

    To have a budget that actually works, you need honest, powerful life goals.

    Does this sound familiar?

    It all comes back to money mindset.

    When was the last time you checked in on your money mindset?

    If you take a look at the Think and Talk Money homepage, you’ll see six main category tabs across the top of the page:

    Each one of these categories builds upon the previous categories.

    It all starts with money mindset.

    A strong money mindset is the foundation of the personal finance journey. Maintaining a strong money mindset requires constant and intentional thought.

    wooden boat on blue lake during daytime indicating what you can do with financial freedom.
    Photo by Pietro De Grandi on Unsplash

    I revisit my money mindset every week by taking a quick look at my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom.

    It may seem overly simplistic, but money mindset is what separates people who reach financial freedom from those who struggle to get ahead in life.

    Don’t believe me?

    Budgeting is really not that hard. We all understand the basic concept: spend less money than you earn. Still, most of us can’t do it.

    The same applies to debt and credit. We all know to avoid debt. We know to use credit responsibly. So, why don’t we do it?

    Investing can seem complicated at first. Is it really that hard? Entire books and websites have been created to show you how to create massive wealth through simple index funds.

    What about buying rental properties? We did the math together. Analyzing deals is not that hard. The impediment for most people is coming up with the money for a downpayment.

    You may be in a similar boat right now. You want to buy a rental property but you’re discouraged because you don’t have the downpayment saved up.

    It’s not just about how much money you make.

    Buying rental properties is not just about how much money you make. Plenty of lawyers and professionals make a lot of money and struggle to come up with any excess money to invest.

    Sadly, the struggles don’t just relate to coming up with money for investments.

    Lawyers as a profession have long struggled with mental health issues. I first learned about these challenges during law school orientation. Today, I see it in practice.

    Being a lawyer is a hard way to make a living. When you work as a lawyer, the hours are intense and stress levels are consistently high.

    In 2023, the Washington Post analyzed data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor to determine what the most stressful jobs are. The study confirmed that lawyers are the most stressed.

    Of course, lawyers are not alone in struggling in this regard due to long, stressful hours.

    The same study showed that people working in the finance and insurance industries were right up there with lawyers as being highly stressed.

    Well, what can we do about it?

    How can we address these struggles?

    Where can we find money for a downpayment?

    I have some thoughts.

    How motivated are you to truly get ahead in life?

    Are you truly motivated to get ahead in life?

    Have you worked on your money mindset and found the motivation to actually create a budget that generates savings?

    If you’ve successfully created a budget and still need to generate more fuel, have you thought about a side hustle?

    When I mention side hustle, is your initial reaction that you’re too busy or important?

    Some lawyers and professionals reading this won’t even allow themselves to consider a side hustle. They automatically think, “I’m way too skilled or busy to even think about another job.” 

    In my personal finance class, we spend a lot of time challenging that notion.

    Very few people- and I mean very few- are too important or too busy to take on a side hustle.

    For most of us, it’s an excuse.

    You may think you’re one of those “too important” people.

    I would challenge you to assess whether you’re confusing “too important” with “too stressed” or “too tired” or “too cool.”

    Is continuing to worry about money really better than spending a few hours a week earning extra money doing something you love?

    Setting that conversation aside, the ideal side hustle is something you enjoy doing that can earn you extra money at the same time.

    Some examples of side hustles my students have come up with in class include:

    • Bartending. Entice your friends to come to your bar by offering cheap drinks. You get to hang out with them and get paid at the same time.
    • Fitness instructor. Instead of paying $48 for the spin class you love, become the instructor and get paid to lead the class.
    • Dog Walker. If you love dogs and don’t currently have one of your own, what better way to fill that void in your life while making money. The same applies to babysitting.
    • Home Baker. Make homemade treats with your kids and sell them to parents who don’t have the time.

    How about this idea for aspiring real estate investors: part-time property manager?

    My wife and I recently needed some help with apartment showings. We reached out to one of our favorite young people in the world to see if she’d be interested.

    A chance to make some money on the side and learn a new skill?

    She jumped on board without hesitation.

    We’ve known her for years and were not the least bit surprised. She’s exactly the type of person who will no doubt be successful in whatever she chooses to do.

    There is always a way to make more money.

    The point is there are always ways to make more money by doing things you like to do anyways. Even if you’re busy. You just have to exert some mental energy to figure out how.

    Then, when you make that extra money, put it to work for you. Make all your hustle worth it.

    At that point, we can talk about investing or buying real estate.

    Unfortunately, most people don’t want to go through this process.

    woman walking on street surrounded by buildings and thinking about own rental properties.
    Photo by Timo Stern on Unsplash

    Too many lawyers and professionals come to me and primarily want to talk about investing or buying real estate.

    They want to skip the foundation and jump right to the more exciting stuff.

    Most of the time, these are people who have never kept a budget. Or, they have massive student loan debt with no real plan to pay it off. Maybe they have a good W-2 job but no other sources of income.

    When I start exploring their situations with them, it’s clear they haven’t thought much about the personal finance building blocks.

    When they mention how hard it is to save for a downpayment, they haven’t considered looking for a new job that pays more or starting a side hustle.

    Before jumping right to owning rental properties, these are the personal finance obstacles that need to be addressed.

    If this sounds like the situation you are in, your ongoing mission is to generate more cash to fuel investments.

    The fun part is once you’ve discovered your motivations and established strong habits, you will consistently have money available so you can invest month after month for the rest of your life.

    My wife and I would not own five properties today if we didn’t first learn personal money wellness. 

    My wife and I would not own five properties (11 rental units) today if we had not first learned money wellness fundamentals.

    I don’t just mean we wouldn’t have had money available to invest, although that is certainly true. 

    I also mean we wouldn’t have the skills and knowledge to successfully run our real estate business.

    If you’ve ever wanted to be a business owner or investor, working on personal finance skills now is critical.

    Robert Kiyosaki put it best in Rich Dad Poor Dad, “It’s not how much money you make. It’s how much money you keep.”

    If you knew someone that made $1,000,000 per year, and at the end of the year, had only invested $20,000, what would your reaction be?

    What if you knew someone who made $100,000 per year and invested $20,000? Did your reaction change?

    How often do you think about your money mindset?

    Do you tend to think more about the “fun stuff” (investing, real estate) than the fundamentals (money mindset, budgeting, debt, etc.)?

    Let us know about your money mindset in the comments below.

  • Does Being Good with Money Make You a Greedy Dragon?

    Does Being Good with Money Make You a Greedy Dragon?

    Have you ever been called a “greedy dragon” before?

    I hadn’t either before this week.

    I recently posted a video on socials talking about how lawyers and professionals should not let leaky toilets prevent them from investing in rental properties.

    Apparently, this video struck a nerve with the trolls.

    I was called a “bottom dweller”, a “demon”, and my personal favorite, a “greedy dragon.”

    I like dragons. So, that last one actually felt like a compliment.

    Why does being good with money wake up the trolls?

    There’s no shortage of internet trolls out there. And, there’s nothing special about me that caught the attention of the trolls this week.

    Haters are going to hate. Trolls are going to troll.

    But, there’s an important money lesson to be learned here thanks to the trolls.

    You see, these are the types of comments you get from people with limiting money beliefs. They’ve never thought about how money can be used as a tool to build a life of purpose.

    Instead, they only think of money as a dangerous weapon to be wielded for evil purposes. They automatically think that people with money are greedy.

    The saddest part is that these people would rather exert their energy attacking people than improving their own situations. These are the type of people who are likely to always be controlled by money, instead of the other way around.

    Now, I’ll give credit to the internet trolls where credit is due. At least these trolls are not hiding their limiting money beliefs.

    That’s a good first step that many of us can benefit from.

    You don’t need to stoop to the level of internet troll to have limiting money beliefs. These kinds of attitudes towards money are way more common than you think.

    One of my main goals in starting Think and Talk Money is for all of us to confront our limiting money beliefs so we can take control of our lives.

    If your relationship with money up to this point has held you back, you’re in the right place by reading this blog.

    Another good idea is to read a good money mindset book.

    A good money mindset book with help you think of your Money Why.

    Money mindset books can help you because they explore the emotional side of money. They will force you to think about money in a way you never have before.

    The best money mindset books don’t just talk about the numbers and math of personal finance. That not only makes the books more interesting to read, it also makes them so much more practical in the real world.

    Personally, I am striving to build the best life possible for my family. To do that, I need to learn more than just the numbers.

    That means I need to be good at not only making money, but also using that money to build a life on my terms. That requires finding a balance, which can be tricky.

    To help strike that balance, I’ve studied how others have done it. Then, I can take what I learn and implement those lessons into my own life. 

    Here are my favorite money mindset books, in no particular order:

    Being on vacation with family gives you plenty of chances to think about your Money Why.

    I highly doubt the average internet troll spends much time thinking about his Money Why.

    I’ve been on vacation recently and have had a lot of reminders of my Money Why. Of course, I’ve known my Money Why since I wrote down my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom on a beach in 2017.

    Mission Bay Resort pool representing why I want to be good with money to build experiences with my family.
    Photo by Cory Bjork on Unsplash

    My number one goal is to be with my wife and kids as much as I want. The weird part is I wrote down that goal before I was even married or had kids.

    Yes, I want to provide for my family financially. But my Money Why is more than that. I don’t want to just provide money, I want to provide time. I want to be present and share experiences.

    To accomplish that goal, I need to be good with money. 

    If I’m good with my money, I can achieve financial freedom.

    With financial freedom, I can choose how to spend my time. That means I can choose who to spend my time with.

    To the Internet trolls, these goals make you a greedy dragon.

    What do you think?

    Is traveling with three young kids a vacation or just “parenting in a new location?”

    Anyone who’s vacationed with young kids knows that it comes with all sorts of challenges. I’ve heard vacationing with young kids described before as “just parenting in a new location.”

    There’s some truth to that. Figuring out sleeping arrangements, meals, and activities to keep the kids entertained can be a headache. It’s hard not to think that it would have been easier to just stay at home.

    Between the occasional meltdown and the tears, it’s fair to wonder why go through the hassle?

    I’ve had these thoughts creep into my head recently while on vacation with my family.

    Then, I realized why us parents do it.

    It’s to see your five-year-old try over and over again before finally reaching the Little Mermaid diving toy on the bottom of the pool for the first time.

    The pure joy on her face when she popped out of the water with the toy in hand is an image I hope I never forget.

    It’s to watch your three-year-old play with grandma and grandpa and hearing, “Grandpa, close your eyes!” as he completes his next prank to earn an eruption of laughter.

    It’s observing your wife at the playground as she manages a baby in a stroller while simultaneously encouraging her daughter on the swings and helping her son as he climbs too high.

    How she does it, and keeps a smile on her face, I’ll never know.

    It’s the little moments like this that make it all worth it.

    Is being good with money a requirement for these types of memories?

    Nah. But, if being good with money gets me more of these memories, I’m all in.

    It’s important to think about your Money Why regularly.

    Saying that I want to be good with money is not the same thing as saying that I want to be rich.

    Funny enough, people who are good with money oftentimes feel rich regardless of what their net worth is.

    A nice quote I saw at an ice cream shop saying you can't buy me love but you can buy me ice cream meaning you can buy experiences with money.
    Photo by Zoshua Colah on Unsplash

    On the flip side, people who make a lot of money but are not good with money often feel like they’re struggling to get by. As CNBC explained after talking with financial psychologists:

    Whether you’re aiming to save more cash or boost your overall earnings, it’s important to ask yourself what you hope to achieve by obtaining more money, Chaffin says. Otherwise, if you don’t change your internal money beliefs, you may still feel anxious about money even if you hit millionaire status.

    The takeaway is that it is pointless to make money without stopping to think why you want that money and what you’re going to do with it. 

    If you’ve never thought about money that way before, here are three powerful reasons to get you started: 

    1. Money can give you choices.
    2. Money can give you personal power.
    3. Most importantly, money can give you time.

    Money is nothing but a tool that you can manipulate to get what you truly want out of life. The thing is, you have to actually think about what you want if you are going to use that tool effectively.

    Being good with money does not make you greedy.

    Being good with money does not make you a greedy dragon.

    Money is nothing but a tool. You can use that tool to build a life on your terms for you and your family.

    For my money, there’s no better pursuit than that.

    Do you want to be good with money?

    What kind of life are you hoping to build?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Being Good with Money is About Consistent Choices

    Being Good with Money is About Consistent Choices

    Having taught personal finance to law students and young lawyers since 2021, I’ve picked up on a common theme.

    At the conclusion of class, my students tend to be motivated and excited to get good with money.

    This makes sense because we spend a lot of time thinking and talking about what our ideal lives look like. Then, we learn how to use money as a tool to build those lives.

    In the weeks following class, I usually hear from several students who want to follow-up about topics we cover in class, like side hustles or investing in real estate.

    I’ll meet each student for coffee downtown and give them some feedback on their ideas. I love these money talks over coffee.

    My students’ excitement to take control of their money and their lives is contagious.

    Their excitement rubs off on me. I leave these conversations motivated to check in on my own money strategies and goals.

    When our chat is wrapping up, I always encourage my students to keep me posted on their journeys. I invite them to check-in every few months so I can help keep them accountable and to adjust any plans we’ve put in place.

    Unfortunately, less than 10% of my students ever follow-up after these initial meetings.

    After a while, I figured out what was going on.

    See, every now and then, I’ll run into one of these former students at a lawyer event or hanging around the courthouse. I’ll ask them about work and life and eventually about the money plan we talked about.

    That’s when I usually hear something like, “I’m still thinking about that side hustle. I just put it on the back burner for now. I’m going to do it someday.”

    Do you see the problem?

    As a wise man once taught me, “someday” means “no day.”

    a sign that says today is a goo day meaning that someday is no day.
    Photo by Yuliia Martsynkevych on Unsplash

    Financial freedom is about consistent, intentional choices.

    Ask anyone who has reached true financial freedom how they did it, and you’ll pick up on something right away.

    You’ll quickly realize that people who reach financial freedom got there by making consistent, intentional choices with their money.

    They came up with a plan and they stuck with it.

    They didn’t say “some day.”

    Achieving financial freedom is not about being the highest earner or the best investor.

    It’s about consistency.

    There are endless ways to make money. The same goes for investing that money.

    You can reach financial freedom as a lawyer who invests in index funds.

    Just the same, you can be a consultant who owns rental properties.

    Or, an engineer who buys laundromats.

    The point is the avenue you choose to build wealth is less important than the consistency of your choices.

    For example, if you commit yourself to investing 20% of your salary in index funds, you will be well on your way to financial freedom.

    But, if you can’t follow through on your plan for more than a few months, you’re never going to get there.

    Of course, we’ve all experienced this tendency in various areas of life. The easiest examples to think of relate to fitness and healthy eating.

    How many of us have said we’re going to commit to working out five days a week or eating vegetables every meal, only to give up after a couple months?

    It’s not that we want to give up, just that the rest of life gets in the way. We tell ourselves that we’ll return to healthy living someday, which actually means no day.

    When it comes to your money choices, don’t let the rest of life get in the way. Money is such a powerful tool when wielded properly and consistently.

    Don’t waste this powerful tool.

    To help make consistent choices, think about why money matters.

    To help you make consistent money choices, the first step is to think about a simple and powerful question: why does money matter?

    For me and many others, money is about financial independence, which translates to the power to choose.

    When we have the power to choose, we have the power to live a life that conforms to our personal values. That means we can live on purpose, not on auto-pilot.

    What does it mean to live on purpose?

    It means that we can choose to spend our working hours doing what is meaningful to us. It means we can choose to spend more time with the people who are meaningful to us.

    My favorite part during my personal finance for lawyers class is when my students share their motivations with each other. We all learn so much from these honest conversations.

    It’s why I believe talking about money is so important. We all benefit from knowing that we’re not alone in our money worries. We can be inspired by hearing what our friends want from their money and their lives.

    The more you think and talk about why you want to be good with money, the clearer your motivations will become.

    To help you get started, here are three powerful reasons why I want to be good with money:

    1. Money can give you choices.

    This may seem obvious, but when you have money, you have choices.

    You can choose where to live. You can choose who you work for or can work for yourself. On a daily level, you can choose how you eat, exercise, relax, and travel.

    This holds true whether you make $50,000 or $250,000. Of course, your options may be different. The point is that when you’ve made good money choices, you’ll at least have options.

    2. Money can give you personal power.

    This is another way to say that money gives you control of your life situation.

    If you are in a bad relationship, a bad job, or just need a change, money gives you the personal power to do something about it. When you don’t have money, you may be stuck.

    3. Money can give you time.

    When you have enough money to be truly financially independent, you have earned the freedom to do whatever you want with your time.

    As I mentioned earlier, you can spend your working hours at a job that is meaningful to you. And, you can spend more time with people who are meaningful to you.

    It’s been said many times, “time is our most precious resource.”

    When you have money, you can buy your time back.

    woman in white long sleeve shirt reading book on beach during daytime because she is financially free and bought her time back.
    Photo by Constantin Panagopoulos on Unsplash

    What would you do with financial freedom?

    Years ago, I asked myself this important question. I wrote down my answer and called it my Tiara Goals.

    If you haven’t ever actively thought about what you would do with financial freedom, now’s the time to do so. It is extremely motivating.

    Even when you feel like financial freedom is only a distant dream for you, it’s important to actively think about what you want out of life.

    I’d even suggest that the further away you feel from financial freedom, the more important it is to think about what it would mean for you.

    When you’re at your lowest point, visualizing what you would do with financial freedom is a helpful escape.

    Don’t forget to write down whatever you come up with.

    Here are my 7 Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom:

    1. Be with my wife and kids as much as I want. Dad never missed a game. Mom never missed a game. Nana never missed a game.
    2. Not be forced to commute to work on Friday or Tuesday or whatever day, if I need that day for myself.
    3. Choose how to spend my working hours (representing clients, teaching, volunteering, building a business, etc.).
    4. Continue to study and learn constantly.
    5. Take at least one big trip every year.
    6. Never turn down an exciting or smart opportunity because I can’t afford it.
    7. Work alongside people that value my contributions. 

    Keep in mind that I wrote these goals before I had kids and before I was even married. This was also years before the pandemic when working from home was a foreign concept to most of us. 

    I think it says a lot that I was thinking about these things way back then.

    Being consistent means thinking just a little bit about money every week.

    My goal is to help you think even a little bit about your money choices every week. That way, your money life remains in balance with the rest of your life, and you can continually evolve and adapt your choices as your life changes.

    I want to encourage you to think, and to talk, and to choose. If all I do is help you and your loved ones think more purposefully about your money, Think and Talk Money will be a success. 

    Maybe your goal is also financial independence, or the power to choose and to live on purpose.

    Maybe it’s something else entirely. Whatever it is, discovering your motivation is the crucial first step. 

    It’s so important that I’ll encourage you to think about that motivation every week.

    I’ve learned that money is something that we all need to think about as a regular part of our lives. Not that we should only think about money. Or that we need to obsess over money. Simply that we can’t ignore money. 

    How sad is it when we realize our hard earned money has just vanished? That at the end of each month, we have less money?

    If this sounds familiar, you’re not alone. There are a lot of smart people who need somewhere to turn learn about money. Or, maybe just a reminder to actively think about their money. 

    You don’t have to struggle with making continuous money choices alone.

    Most of us could use someone to talk to or something to read to help us learn about personal finance.

    I hope Think and Talk Money can be that place for you.

    I can’t, and won’t, tell you what to do with your money. It’s your life, after all. But, I will strive to help you think and talk with purpose about your money.

    The basic money concepts are easy enough to understand. Consistently making good choices is hard. 

    Most of us could ace a quiz that asked, “Is it a good idea to spend more money than you earn every month and plummet deeper and deeper into debt?”

    Knowing what to do is not the same as actually doing it. Remember, someday is no day.

    That’s why it helps to not be afraid to talk about money. For some reason, most of us choose to deal with money on our own. I’d like to change that.

    There’s a stigma that we shouldn’t talk about money. I’d like to change that, too.

    That way, we all have a better chance of making intentional, consistent choices with our money.

    Have you been excited about money in the past only to lose that excitement not long after?

    Have you tried talking about money with your friends and family to help you stay motivated? If not, what is holding you back?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Money on My Mind: Read The Simple Path to Wealth

    Money on My Mind: Read The Simple Path to Wealth

    The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins is the best book on investing I’ve ever read.

    It is a must-read for anyone trying to figure out why and how to invest in the stock market.

    If you’re a new investor and don’t understand how to invest in the stock market, Collins will set you on your way.

    If you’re a seasoned investor unsure what to do in times of economic uncertainty, Collins is here to help.

    Maybe you just need a bit of motivation or a reminder of how simple it is to build long-term wealth. There’s no one better than Collins to provide that pep talk.

    Who is JL Collins?

    JL Collins is sometimes described as “the Godfather of Financial Independence” in the personal finance community. He has a popular blog where you can read more about his story.

    The short version is that he wrote a series of letters to his then teenage daughter about money, investing, and life. He wanted to impart the wisdom he had accumulated during his lifetime and help her avoid the mistakes he had made.

    Those letters eventually led to his blog, which then led to his bestselling book, The Simple Path to Wealth, first released in 2015.

    Since then, Collins has been a thought-leaders in the financial independence community. He has inspired thousands, if not millions, of people around the world to accumulate massive wealth by following a few simple rules.

    What makes Collins so transformative is his ability to make seemingly complex topics (like investing) into easily digestible and actionable information.

    If you have any intention of becoming financially independent and haven’t read The Simple Path to Wealth, now is the time to do so.

    I’ve read his book cover-to-cover twice and constantly refer back to his lessons.

    purple flower filed during daytime illustrating how beautiful the simple path to wealth should be.
    Photo by Jack Skinner on Unsplash

    Each time I read his book, I’m reminded how simple it is to reach financial independence if I can just follow a few simple tips.

    I’ll share those simple rules with you at the bottom of the post. Before I do, here is a bit of context about each time I read his book, first in 2019, then again in 2025.

    Seeing those dates, you may already be wondering if world events between 2019 and 2025 changed his philosophies.

    Let’s find out.

    I first read The Simple Path to Wealth in 2019 as a DINK.

    I first read The Simple Path to Wealth in 2019 and just finished the updated version. Even if you’ve read the original version, I highly recommend you read new edition released in 2025.

    Here’s why.

    When I read the original version in 2019, market conditions and the world economy were in very different places than they are in 2025.

    Back in 2019, the stock market had been closing out one of the best decades in history. As reported by US News:

    From a market’s perspective, the 2010s will forever be remembered as an era of slow but steady gains on Wall Street, and a period of sustained growth for investors and their retirement accounts.

    By the end of the 2010s, the market had been on the longest bull run in history. It was such an epic run that it was fairly common for most people to see big gains in their portfolios without much effort or knowledge.

    On a personal level, my life was also very different in 2019. My wife and I were enjoying married life before having kids. We had just purchased our first rental property in a trendy Chicago neighborhood.

    On top of that, we were DINKs (“Dual Income No Kids) and able to save aggressively for our next investment.

    We were considering another rental property, but I first wanted to learn more about the power of investing in the stock market.

    This is what led me to read The Simple Path to Wealth the first time.

    Side note: If you are currently a DINK, or will soon be a DINK, please pay extra attention here.

    Don’t waste this powerful opportunity to supercharge your investments.

    When you’re in a relationship where you have two incomes coming in and are sharing financial responsibilities, you have the opportunity to supercharge your Later Money goals.

    This is what my wife and I were able to do, even if we didn’t know what a DINK was. We each had good incomes coming in and our monthly expenses were low.

    Also, we didn’t have to worry about childcare. We were young so the odds of unexpected medical care were lower. All things considered, it was pretty easy to keep our Now Money to a minimum with plenty to spare for Life Money.

    This allowed us to fuel our Later Money goals. We had money in the bank and seemingly endless choices.

    And, I didn’t want to screw it up.

    Reading The Simple Path to Wealth was a way to educate myself in hopes of not screwing it up.

    I read the new version of The Simple Path to Wealth in 2025.

    Fast forward to 2025. I read the new version o The Simple Path to Wealth because I was curious if Collins’ viewpoint had changed due to major world events, like the Covid-19 pandemic.

    I was also curious to see whether his advice would still resonate with me now that I’m a seasoned real-estate investor and have a personal finance blog.

    Well, I’m happy to report that Collins’ message hit me stronger today than it did in 2019.

    If anything, Collins’ lessons are even more applicable today than they were in the 2010s when markets were soaring.

    In the new edition, Collins discusses how recent world-changing events, like the Covid-19 pandemic and international wars, actually strengthen his long-time recommendations.

    This was very refreshing to learn because I have been following his advice and recommending his book for years.

    In times of economic uncertainty, Collins explains, it’s even more important to have a plan for your money.

    Once you have that plan, you need to stick to it, no matter what.

    Collins provides the motivation and tools to stick to the plan.

    Why is The Simple Path to Wealth such an important book?

    When I teach my personal finance class to law students, I ask at the beginning of class what my students hope to learn.

    One of the most common responses I hear every year is, “I want to learn how to invest in the stock market.”

    OK, fair enough.

    The truth is I’ve yet to find any resource better than The Simple Path to Wealth to teach us how and why to invest in the stock market.

    What makes Collins such a good teacher?

    In The Simple Path to Wealth, Collins uses basic, every day, language that we can all understand. This is his greatest gift.

    Too many books on investing are so dense that they are useless to the average person.

    Collins is different. He successfully blends his life experiences with the historical data, in easy to understand terms, to show us that investing is not hard.

    For many people, especially people at the beginning of their careers, investing can seem intimidating.

    As Collins explains, that’s because it’s big business for investment companies and banks to make investing seem hard and scary.

    These companies spend billions of dollars marketing every year to convince us that investing is complicated. Their goal is to convince us to pay them lots of money to manage our money.

    You don’t have to believe them. You certainly don’t have to pay them tons of money to invest in the stock market.

    Collins will not only show you how invest on your own, he’ll also give you the tools to outperform the financial professionals.

    What are Collins’ simple rules to live by?

    Collins’ main message is that investing should not be complicated. When done the right way, it’s simple and effective. Hence, the title of his book.

    Collins explains that each of us can achieve long-term wealth by following a few simple rules:

    1. Spend less than you earn.
    2. Invest the surplus.
    3. Avoid debt.

    Sound advice, indeed.

    If you can live by these simple rules, the next question is what to do with your surplus money earmarked for investments.

    Collins has a simple and effective plan for you that he details in his book.

    What is Collins’ simple and effective plan for investing?

    Collins’ plan is both simple and effective. He doesn’t expect you to just take his word for it, either. He has the research and historical data to back it up.

    Make no mistake: just because something is simple does not mean it is ineffective.

    So, what is Collins’ simple and effective plan to invest for long-term wealth?

    1. Invest in low-cost, broad-based index funds. His favorite investment has always been Vanguard’s total stock market index fund, VTSAX.
    2. Ignore the noise. Be mentally tough. Stay the course.

    That’s it.

    You don’t need fancy investments. You don’t need a financial advisor. All you need to do is commit to the plan.

    If you’re thinking that this is too good to be true, you need to read The Simple Path to Wealth.

    How can it really be that simple?

    You might be thinking, how can it really be that simple? If all people had to do was invest in index funds, everyone would be rich.

    That’s exactly Collins’ point!

    Everyone could be rich if they follow these simple rules.

    The problem is most people allow their emotions to get in the way and steer them off the path.

    Collins does his best to help you deal with those emotions.

    If you don’t believe that index fund investing will make you wealthy, look at this stat about the recently announced sale of the NBA’s Los Angeles Lakers:

    That’s right. The Buss family would have an extra $3 billion today if they had invested in the S&P 500 instead of purchasing the Lakers in 1979!

    Many thanks to blog reader, DJ, for passing this one along!

    I know, I know. Owning the Lakers was probably a ton of fun. They also surely made money on the team along the way.

    The point remains: investing in an S&P 500 index fund also would have generated massive wealth. And, that wealth would have come without the effort and the headaches of running a major professional sports organization.

    I can picture Collins having a good laugh about stats like this.

    Read The Simple Path to Wealth.

    I recommend The Simple Path to Wealth to all of my students and friends who ask me about investing.

    There is not a better book out there to make the concept of investing seem approachable for all of us.

    Collins is clear and humorous. He’s also stern when he needs to be.

    If you read this book, you’ll realize that becoming wealthy through the stock market does not have to be complicated.

    It can be wonderfully simple.

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Money Question: What Would I do with $10 Million?

    Money Question: What Would I do with $10 Million?

    In a recent post, I asked: If you woke up tomorrow with $10 million in your bank account, would you do anything differently?

    I ask a version of this question whenever I teach my personal finance course to law students.

    Asking what you would do with $10 million is just another way to ask what you would do with financial freedom.

    Attaching a specific dollar amount to the question helps make financial freedom seem real. It turns the aspirational concept of financial freedom into actual numbers.

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    In a recent post, I asked: If you woke up tomorrow with $10 million in your bank account, would you do anything differently? I ask a version of this question whenever I teach my personal finance course to law students. Attaching a specific dollar amount to the question helps make financial freedom seem real. Many thanks to one of our blog followers, Ian, for turning the question around and asking me what I would do with $10 million! #thinkandtalkmoney

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    Many thanks to one of our blog followers, Ian, for turning the question around and asking me what I would do with $10 million!

    It’s been some time since I put some real thought into this question. I’m happy to have gone through the thought process in crafting this post.

    If you haven’t already, I encourage you to do the same and think about exactly what you would do if you woke up with $10 million.

    Before I share my answer, I want to highlight some other reader responses to the question, which should shed some light on my decisions.

    Let’s get to it.

    🚨If you know anybody who would benefit from thinking and talking about money even just a little bit, please share the Think and Talk Money blog with them! I post 3 times every week. 🚨

    Disappearing on a beach.

    The most common response to what people would do with $10 million involved some version of:

    Invest the money and then disappear on a faraway beach.

    In a way, the “disappear on a beach” response illustrates what many of us are striving for with financial independence. By that, I mean the goal of having enough money to then not have to work if we don’t want to.

    palm tree near sea shore illustrating that life on a beach may get lonely after a while, which is why I would not disappear with $10 million.
    Photo by Maarten van den Heuvel on Unsplash

    Personally, I share the goal of becoming financially free, but I’m not looking to retire early and disappear. After all, I believe in FIPE not FIRE.

    I think jetting off to the beach would be nice at first but then get old pretty fast. That said, I can certainly appreciate the desire to take some time away from life’s daily stressors.

    Invest and then buy a shotgun.

    One reader, Sean, shared a pretty sensible plan:

    Put $9 million in the S&P 500, pay off debt with the rest and buy a nice shot gun.

    It’s hard to argue with this plan. Of course, it’s never a bad idea to pay off debt or invest in the S&P 500.

    I think it’s also important to treat yourself, within reason. I’m not in favor of earning financial freedom if it means being afraid to spend money on the things that make you happy.

    While I don’t know the first thing about shotguns, I’m guessing they represent a hobby of Sean’s. I’m certainly in favor of spending on hobbies, experiences, and activities that bring you joy.

    Well done, Sean.

    The struggle between “should” and “want.”

    Finally, Zach shared a sentiment that many of us struggle with when it comes to money decisions:

    I know what the answer should be but I’d really like to buy a house and a couple of the cool cars I’d always ogled over growing up.

    Zach’s comment stood out to me in the way he phrased it. He knows what he should do, which in his mind is different from what he wants to do.

    Zach’s one sentence comment sums up a money struggle that many of us have.

    We know what we should do, but we’re constantly fighting what we want to do.

    I would challenge Zach, and anyone else feeling this way, to take some time thinking about what you truly want out of life. I did this when I wrote down my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom while on a beach in Florida.

    If you put some real thought into it, you might find that material possessions are actually not that important to you. Rather, buying your freedom is so much more valuable.

    I would want to know more about Zach’s desire to buy a couple of cool cars. Maybe, like our previous reader wanting a shotgun, having cool cars is a hobby for him that brings much joy.

    However, I have my doubts that’s what Zach meant. The way he phrased it (“cars I’d always ogled over growing up”) leads me to believe he wants these cars to show off.

    Here’s the problem with that type of spending.

    Buying a couple of cool cars would likely only give you a short-lived burst of happiness. Sure, it would be fun to drive them around at first. Maybe it’d also be fun to have your friends over and show off what you just bought.

    But, studies routinely show that the burst of happiness from material possessions like cars only lasts for so long.

    When that initial burst fades away, you’re stuck with the hassle of owning multiple cars that you probably wouldn’t even drive much. Your friends would stop caring before too long.

    Add in the cost of insurance, maintenance, and garage space, and these cool cars will be a major drag on your financial freedom.

    By the way, there’s nothing at all wrong with buying a house. You need to live somewhere. Just keep it reasonable.

    Otherwise, you’ll end up working long hours for a lot of years just to keep the house. That might not be a trade off you want to make.

    What I would do with $10 million.

    Without further ado, here’s exactly what I would do if I woke up with $10 million tomorrow.

    1. $50,000 to go on an African safari with my wife.

    My wife and I have three kids at home ages five and under. With a newborn, even date night can feel like an epic adventure. My wife does so much for all of us, that this is the easiest decision I’ve ever made.

    With the first $50,000, she and I are packing our bags for Africa and leaving the kids with Grandma. Since this would be our first big trip in six years, we’re balling out without worrying about the cost.

    I am a big advocate of using money as a tool to build memories. How could I do better than taking a dream vacation with my wife?

    2. Pay off my house.

    My goal is to be financially free. A big part of that is not having any debt. That’s why the next chunk of the $10 million is going to pay off my house.

    I could certainly make more money long-term by investing in the stock market or purchasing more rental properties. But, with $10 million at my disposal, I don’t need any more money. I know when enough is enough.

    I love my house and my community and would rather know that I can stay here with my family for the long run.

    3. Pay off my rental ski condo.

    In 2021, my wife and I bought a ski condo in Colorado. We currently rent it out for most of the year.

    If I had $10 million, I would pay off the mortgage on the ski condo, stop renting it out, and spend a lot more time out west with my family.

    Hiker on a log illustrating what I would do with $10 million, like hiking with my family.
    Photo by Jon Flobrant on Unsplash

    As I mentioned, one of my main goals in life is to create as many experiences and memories as possible with my family.

    Paying off my condo would allow all of us to spend more time together doing the things we love, like skiing, hiking, biking, and swimming.

    Best of all, we could do these things while sharing our condo with our extended family members.

    4. $250,000 in a high yield savings account.

    Everyone should have an emergency savings account. I would put $250,000 into a high yield savings account and turn to this money as my first line of defense in case of emergencies.

    After eliminating my mortgage debt on my primary home and my ski condo, $250,000 would be enough to fund my life for about 2 years. That’s a lot of runway and provides peace of mind.

    5. $300,000 total in my kids’ 529 college savings accounts.

    Besides eliminating debt, my other major financial goal right now is to save enough to pay for my three kids’ college. To cross this goal off my list once and for all, I would put a combined $300,000 into their 529 accounts.

    I landed on $300,000 by playing around with an online calculator, like this one. $300,000 should be enough to reach my goal for each kid.

    6. 70% of the rest in a total stock market index fund.

    I am an index fund investor, through and through. I have no interest in trying to beat the market or time the market.

    I’m perfectly happy with earning around 10% per year, which is the historical annual average return of the S&P 500.

    So, I would put 70% of the rest of my money in a total stock market index fund. I prefer Vanguard’s popular offering, VTSAX.

    If you’re wondering why I’m not putting all my money in “safer” asset categories, like cash or bonds, it’s because I still have a long investment horizon in front of me.

    I plan on investing for decades to come. I’m OK riding out the market swings that come with investing in stocks. I also want to keep up with inflation so my purchasing power remains strong in the future.

    7. 30% in a total bond market index fund.

    While I would mostly be invested in stocks, I would be highly motivated to preserve more of my wealth. Like I mentioned before, enough is enough.

    Investing in bonds is a good way to de-risk your portfolio, even if it means earning less each year.

    For that reason, I would allocate the remaining 30% of my money to a total bond market index fund. I would choose Vanguard’s VBTLX.

    I would not pay off my rental properties or quit my job.

    You may have noticed I did not mention paying off my rental properties or quitting my job.

    My rental properties are all on very low-rate mortgages and generate strong monthly cash flow. These properties are performing beautifully as is.

    I don’t see any good reason to mess with a good thing. I could always re-visit if circumstances changed.

    With $10 million, why am I not quitting my job and jetting off to a beach?

    The truth is I really like my life right now. I don’t see any good reason to make sudden, major life changes.

    I like the people I work with and the work that we do for our mesothelioma clients.

    On top of that, I like where I live and am not really craving any major purchases. I would probably get some new furniture for the house. Maybe I’d plant another tree or two in the backyard.

    Plus, because I’m still earning an income in this scenario, I can continue to use my income to fund my life. That’s why I didn’t account for daily spending in my plan for $10 million.

    In fact, I’d have more income available because the $10 million is more than enough for my long-term savings and investment goals.

    I could use the money I had been saving for these goals for more present day spending. I’m not sure I would, but I could spend more freely, if I wanted to.

    So, there you have it. That’s exactly what I would do with $10 million right now.

    What do you think of my plan?

    Would you do anything differently?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Money on My Mind: Bears, Net Worth and Exercise

    Money on My Mind: Bears, Net Worth and Exercise

    On my journey to financial freedom, I’m consistently striving to learn as much as I can from others who have done it before me.

    This week, I read a few great blog posts from some of my favorite authors and bloggers.

    Let’s take a look and see what we can learn together.

    What to do in a bear market.

    JL Collins recently posted about the big mistake that people make during bear markets. A bear market is when the stock market drops by 20%.

    Collins is one of my favorite authors on investing. He just released the new edition to his best-selling book, The Simple Path to Wealth.

    I highly recommend you pick up a copy if you are interested in learning the easy way to invest and grow your net worth.

    You can read my full review of The Simple Path to Wealth in my post here.

    Back to the question at hand:

    As an investor, what should you do during a bear market?

    Nothing!

    Easier said than done, right?

    Human instinct is to act. Our natural instinct tells us to do something when confronted with danger. We’ve all heard the saying, “fight or flight.” It’s our body’s way of protecting us from potential harm.

    For example, if you encounter a bear in the woods, despite what survival experts may tell you, I’m betting you’re running for your life in the opposite direction.

    That’s exactly what my wife and I did when we saw a black bear in Colorado a couple summers ago.

    Even though we were at least 100 yards away when we saw the bear, and the bear was walking away from us, we ran in the opposite direction as fast as we could.

    Survival experts, we are not.

    Doing nothing in a bear market is easier said than done, like not running away from a black bear when you see one on the trail up ahead.

    If you zoom in (and squint), you can see the ferocious beast in this picture.

    When it comes to investing, the saying should be modified to include a third option: “fight or flight or do nothing.”

    And as JL points out, doing nothing is usually the best decision.

    When the market drops, you have the chance to buy stocks at a discount. Whenever the market bounces back, you will benefit from all those discounted stocks you purchased.

    Of course, nobody knows when the market will bounce back. For that matter, nobody knows when it’s going to drop, either. However, history has shown us that the market has always recovered.

    What if the market doesn’t recover?

    Then, we all have bigger problems to worry about than our money.

    It may take a long time for the market to recover. That’s OK. When you invest early and often, time is on your side.

    By combining time and the courage to do nothing, you will benefit immensely in the long run.

    The Rise of Middle Class Multi-Millionaires

    Another one of my favorite authors and bloggers, Financial Samurai, recently posted about the rise of middle class, multi-millionaires.

    If you haven’t picked up a copy of his new book, Millionaire Milestones, I highly recommend it. I recently ranked it as one of my favorite money mindset books.

    You can read my full review of Millionaire Milestones here.

    In his post on middle class multi-millionaires, Financial Samurai raises a great point:

    How come people are so enthralled by high incomes instead of high net worths?

    Like me, have you wondered why people tend to be more interested in someone’s salary rather than his net worth?

    I have one theory for why society continues to value income more than net worth: income can be more easily measured and more easily used for marketing purposes.

    To put it another way: income is sexier than net worth.

    One example I thought of: remember when you applied to college, grad school, law school, etc.?

    Did you notice how schools commonly advertise the average or median income of their graduates. Schools love to show off that if you go to their school, you’ll make a certain amount of money upon graduating. 

    However, you’ll never see data on the net worth of its graduates.

    Why is that?

    Because an impressive net worths can take decades of discipline to manifest. That type of slow progress doesn’t make for sexy marketing for schools.

    Plus, a top flight education may help you earn a high income but doesn’t guarantee a high net worth. Many high earners are also high spenders. You’d be surprised how many people are good at making money but not keeping it.

    It’s up to each of us to turn that income into a high net worth. Again, that’s harder for schools to market.

    If you are a personal finance enthusiast, you know to value net worth more than income. In fact, the most impressive feat of all is when you have a high net worth on just a standard income.

    For my kids, I’d be way more impressed to see what schools crank out students with high net worths 20-30 years after graduation instead of the median income upon graduation.

    To learn how and why to track your net worth, you can read my post here.

    Does early retirement negatively impact your life expectancy?

    I read a fascinating post on Early Retirement Now that looked at the potential consequences of someone’s life expectancy based on when that person retires.

    There has been a lot of academic research done on the topic. Somewhat surprisingly, there are studies that indicate retiring early may negatively impact your life expectancy.

    Check out the post on Early Retirement Now for a closer look at some of these studies.

    I’m not too worried about the conclusions about life expectancy based on when someone retires. At best, there are conflicting studies on that question.

    Rather, what I found most interesting about the post was that I’ve rarely thought about the potential health consequences about retiring early.

    I regularly think about the mental side of retiring early. Specifically, how does someone keep his mind sharp in early retirement?

    This is one of the main reasons I believe in FIPE not FIRE.

    However, I’ve never really thought about the physical effects of retiring early.

    Does retiring early negatively impact your physical health?

    I may have mistakenly assumed that someone’s physical health would automatically peak in early retirement. I’ve based that assumption on the idea that you’ll have so much time to exercise and eat right when you don’t have to worry about a job.

    In other words, if you’re not spending 50+ hours per week sitting at a desk, there would be no excuse to skip out on exercising regularly and preparing healthy meals at home.

    This post has me thinking about other factors I’ve failed to consider.

    For one, your body may trend towards lethargy if you’re not forced to wake up, get dressed and work 50+ hours per week. Plus, as much as people may not like commuting, at least it gets you out of the house and moving around.

    My takeaway is that if you’re considering retiring early, be sure to plan ahead for physical activity as much as mental activity.

    Your body may not want to exercise every day. You may need a motivational boost from group exercise classes or clubs. Maybe you’ll need a personal trainer or coach.

    If you don’t currently have any hobbies tied to physical activity, I would suggest exploring different options before you leave full-time employment. It may take some time to find your groove with an activity or two that interests you.

    Let us know what you think about these posts.

    What do you think about these posts from popular personal finance writers?

    • Are you brave enough to do nothing in the face of a bear?
    • Have you been tricked into thinking a high income is more impressive than a high net worth?
    • What are your thoughts about the physical side of retiring early?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • What is the Best Money Mindset Book?

    What is the Best Money Mindset Book?

    On my journey to financial independence, I’ve read close to 100 personal finance books. My favorite books motivate me to think about the relationship between life and money. I think of this type of book as a “money mindset book.”

    @thinkandtalkmoney

    What is your favorite money mindset book? If you need a summer read, I rank my top eight here: https://thinkandtalkmoney.com/best-money-mindset-book-my-8-favorite-picks/ #thinkandtalkmoney#moneymindset #summerreads #personalfinance

    ♬ original sound – Thinkandtalkmoney

    In today’s post, I’ll show you my nine favorite money mindset books. These books share a common theme: they will inspire you to use money to build a life that you’re proud of.

    One of the ways these books do that is by exploring the emotional side of money. In other words, they don’t just talk about the numbers and math of personal finance.

    That not only makes the books more interesting to read, it also makes them so much more practical in the real world.

    See, I am striving to build the best life possible for my family. To do that, I need to learn more than just the numbers.

    That means I need to be good at not only making money, but also using that money to build a life on my terms. That requires finding a balance, which can be tricky.

    To help strike that balance, I’ve studied how others have done it. Then, I can take what I learn and implement those lessons into my own life.

    As a personal finance teacher, I can also share these lessons with my students.

    And, that brings us to my favorite money mindset books.

    Each one of these books has helped me develop my core life philosophies. Importantly, these books have helped me acquire and use money in alignment with those core beliefs.

    Of course, when I review my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom, I can feel the influence of each of these books on my most important values.

    I recommend that you check out each of these money mindset books. You will learn not just how to acquire money, but also how to use that money to live your best life.

    Let’s take a look at my favorites, in no particular order.

    1. Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki

    There’s a reason Rich Dad Poor Dad is the best selling personal finance book of all time. Its message is so powerful and simple that I’ve been recommending this money mindset book for years.

    If you read Rich Dad Poor Dad, your entire money mindset will be changed. Kiyosaki brilliantly shares the stories he learned about money while growing up in Hawaii.

    His Rich Dad was really his best friend’s dad, who was a very successful real estate investor and business owner. His Poor Dad was his actual dad, a highly educated and hardworking man who followed a traditional career path.

    Using these two role models in his life, he makes a very compelling case that most of us go about life and money all wrong.

    This is the money mindset book you want to start with.

    Read Rich Dad Poor Dad. It’s the money mindset book that will light a fire under you like no other book I’ve read.

    2. The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel

    In The Psychology of Money, Housel writes about how people make decisions with their money in the real world. Housel agrees with one of our main themes at Think and Talk Money:

    Money is emotional.

    We can all be shown data and spreadsheets and understand what we should do. But, that’s usually not enough to change our behavior.

    Housel is here to help with that. In The Psychology of Money, he takes core personal finance lessons and translates those lessons into regular life concepts.

    Additionally, Housel teaches us the different ways people think about money. Then, he offers his perspective on how we can make better sense of money through our own life experiences.

    Read The Psychology of Money. This money mindset book will help you understand the relationship between money and happiness.

    3. Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill

    Think and Grow Rich is another classic money mindset book that will shift your entire viewpoint on earning a living.

    I first read this money mindset book in college when I learned my friend’s dad offered him $50 if he read this book.

    $50 to read a book?

    I needed to see what this book was all about.

    At the time, I didn’t appreciate how much this money mindset book would change my life.

    Originally published in 1937 and later updated, Think and Grow Rich, will convince you that you can be successful.

    Initially, Hill studied innovators like Henry Ford and Thomas Edison. In the updated version, you’ll learn about modern figures like Bill Gates and Mary Kay Ash.

    Books on a brown wooden shelf, which includes a money mindset book to help learn about the balance between life and money.
    Photo by Susan Q Yin on Unsplash

    Hill’s book is so good because of what he reveals about these legendary figures.

    The secret?

    There was nothing mystical about any of them. Before they became legends, they were just like you and me.

    You can be successful in any walk of life if you just stop sleepwalking through life like everyone else and do something.

    Read Think and Grow Rich. This money mindset book will motivate you to do that thing you’ve been saying you would do, but haven’t yet.

    4. The Richest Man in Babylon by George S. Clason

    The Richest Man in Babylon is a third classic money mindset book originally published nearly 100 years ago.

    This book is a quick read. It’s ideal for anyone still not convinced that they have to pay attention to their personal finances.

    Clason wrote a simple collection of fables set in the ancient city of Babylon. Each fable illustrates the importance of a key money habit, like saving and investing.

    Through his stories, you’ll see how you can get ahead in life by practicing strong financial habits.

    It’s not enough to just be good at making money. You need to be good at keeping that money, too.

    Read The Richest Man in Babylon. This money mindset book will introduce you to the building blocks of a healthy financial life.

    5. Your Money or Your Life by Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez

    Your Money or Your Life is the complete package when it comes to money mindset books.

    Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez are often credited for laying the groundwork for the Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE) movement.

    While I prefer the term Financial Independence Pivot Early (FIPE), I share their viewpoints on the relationship between money, work, and time.

    Spoiler alert: when it comes to life and money, most of us are doing it all wrong. We chase money at the cost of our precious time.

    First, you’ll learn to think of money as nothing more than a tool to build your ideal life. Next, you’ll learn how to specifically use that tool to achieve financial independence.

    Read Your Money or Your Life. This money mindset book will motivate you to start valuing your time for what it’s really worth.

    6. The Millionaire Next Door by Thomas Stanley and William Danko

    It can be difficult to ignore the temptation to keep up with our neighbors. Whether we like it or not, we are concerned with our social status. Part of our self-worth gets tied to comparing ourselves to others.

    One of my favorite money mindset books, The Millionaire Next Door, discusses this concept in detail.

    To start, you need to adjust your perception of how real life millionaires behave.

    You may be surprised to learn how most millionaires have made their fortunes. Also, you may be surprised to learn about their modest lifestyles.

    Read The Millionaire Next Door. This money mindset book will help you if you’re struggling with comparing yourself to others.

    7. Die with Zero by Bill Perkins

    No money mindset book has led to more passionate conversations with my friends and family members than Die with Zero.

    First, Perkins encourages us to think about whether we are working too many hours. In Perkins’ view, the problem is that we are sacrificing the best years of our lives. Instead, we could be creating lifelong memories.

    In that same vein, Perkins makes a strong case that many of us are saving too much for retirement.

    Also, Perkins questions the conventional wisdom of waiting until we die to pass money onto our kids. Instead, he suggests helping our kids earlier in life when the money will be more meaningful.

    Read Die With Zero. This money mindset book will motivate you to book that vacation you’ve been putting off.

    8. Millionaire Milestones by Sam Dogen

    In Millionaire Milestones, Dogen covers his journey from finance bro in New York in his 20s to present day life as a writer, investor, and husband and father.

    What separates Millionaire Milestones from other personal finance books is that Dogen’s still on his journey.

    Girl reading a money mindset book to learn about the balance between life and money.
    Photo by Joel Muniz on Unsplash

    He’s not a newbie, and he’s not preaching from the rocking chair on his patio.

    Dogen’s presently raising kids. He’s focused on his website and his investments. Like you and me, he can relate to the present day challenges of personal finance because he’s still on his journey.

    You can read my full review of Millionaire Milestones in my separate post here.

    Read Millionaire Milestones. This money mindset book is the Goldilocks of personal finance books.

    9. The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins

    The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins is the best money mindset book on investing I’ve ever read.

    It is a must-read for anyone trying to figure out why and how to invest in the stock market.

    If you’re a new investor and don’t understand how to invest in the stock market, Collins will set you on your way.

    If you’re a seasoned investor unsure what to do in times of economic uncertainty, Collins is here to help. 

    Maybe you just need a bit of motivation or a reminder of how simple it is to build long-term wealth. There’s no one better than Collins to provide that pep talk.

    Collins is sometimes described as “the Godfather of Financial Independence” in the personal finance community. He has a popular blog where you can read more about his story.

    The short version is that he wrote a series of letters to his then teenage daughter about money, investing, and life. He wanted to impart the wisdom he had accumulated during his lifetime and help her avoid the mistakes he had made.

    Those letters eventually led to his blog, which then led to his bestselling book, The Simple Path to Wealth, first released in 2015.

    Since then, Collins has been a thought-leaders in the financial independence community. He has inspired thousands, if not millions, of people around the world to accumulate massive wealth by following a few simple rules. 

    What makes Collins so transformative is his ability to make seemingly complex topics (like investing) into easily digestible and actionable information.

    If you have any intention of becoming financially independent and haven’t read The Simple Path to Wealth, now is the time to do so.

    I’ve read his book cover-to-cover twice and constantly refer back to his lessons.

    Each time I read his book, I’m reminded how simple it is to reach financial independence if I can just follow a few simple tips.

    You can read my full review of The Simple Path to Wealth in my post here.

    Read The Simple Path to Wealth. It is quite simply the best money mindset book on investing I’ve ever read.

    What is your favorite money mindset book?

    So, these are the money mindset books that I recommend most often.

    Wherever you are on your personal finance journey, there is something for everyone in one of these books.

    If you have read some of these money mindset books in the past, I suggest you read them again. As our lives and priorities change, so does our relationship with money.

    You’ll get something new and different from reading these books again. Personally, I didn’t fully appreciate these money mindset books until I was years into my career and knew what it felt like to work for money.

    • Have you read these money mindset books?
    • What money mindset books am I missing?

    Let us know in the comments below.

  • Money on My Mind: Read Millionaire Milestones

    Money on My Mind: Read Millionaire Milestones

    On my journey to financial independence, I’ve read close to 100 personal finance books.

    This week, Sam Dogen of Financial Samurai fame, released Millionaire Milestones: Simple Steps to Seven Figures.

    I pre-ordered my copy of Millionaire Milestones and read it cover-to-cover in three days. You may have noticed my posts this week have been slightly delayed. Now, you know why.

    You can find a breakdown of my favorite money mindset books here. I recently added Millionaire Milestones to my list. It was that good.

    If you’re serious about becoming financially independent, I highly recommend you read Millionaire Milestones.

    Who is Sam Dogen aka The Financial Samurai?

    Dogen has been a leader in the personal finance space since he launched Financial Samurai in 2009. Since then, he’s shared his experience and knowledge for free with three posts per week. I do my best to read every post.

    Millionaire Milestones is his third book. Dogen’s also written the Wall Street Journal Bestseller Buy This, Not That and the bestselling e-book How to Engineer Your Layoff.

    What separates Millionaire Milestones from other books?

    As many of you know, I’ve been on my journey to financial independence since 2010 when I was drowning in credit card debt. Since then, I’ve read every personal finance book I can get my hands on.

    Allow me to over-generalize and separate the books I’ve read into two broad categories.

    The first category of books are written by authors who are at a very early stage in their personal finance journeys. These authors tend to be in their 20s and early 30s. They are intelligent people, good writers, and have a lot of valuable advice to share. I certainly gained a lot of insight from these books.

    The second category of books are written by authors who had not only achieved, but also sustained, financial independence. Contrary to the first category, these authors are typically in their 60s and 70s. They have decades and decades of experiences and knowledge to draw upon. They are absolute legends in the financial wellness space.

    person holding book sitting on brown surface illustrating the need to read Millionaire Milestones by Sam Dogen
    Photo by Blaz Photo on Unsplash

    With those overly broad categories in mind, do you see where I’m going with this?

    Category 1: Too young.

    Category 2: Too old.

    Enter Dogen AKA The Financial Samurai.

    AKA… Goldilocks?

    Millionaire Milestones is the Goldilocks of Personal Finance books.

    Yup, Dogen is part samurai and part golden-haired girl.

    Let me explain.

    Dogen is in his mid-40s. He’s not too young. He’s not too old. His book hits just right.

    In Millionaire Milestones, Dogen covers his journey from finance bro in New York in his 20s to present day life as a writer, investor, and husband and father.

    What separates Millionaire Milestones from other personal finance books is that Dogen’s still on his journey. Don’t get me wrong, he’s been financially independent for more than a decade. He certainly has accumulated decades of knowledge since his time working on Wall Street.

    But, Dogen’s still in the thick of things. He’s not preaching from the rocking chair on his patio overlooking his immaculate yard.

    Dogen’s presently raising kids. He’s focused on his website and his investments. Like you and me, he can relate to the present day challenges of personal finance because he’s still on his journey.

    To recap, Dogen’s not wet behind the ears. You don’t have to question his credentials.

    At the same time, he’s not so far removed from his peak earning years that his advice is outdated.

    That’s why I think Millionaire Milestones is the Goldilocks of personal finance books.

    In Millionaire Milestones, Dogen doesn’t pull any punches.

    Now, Dogen might be part Goldilocks.

    But, make no mistake. He’s still all samurai.

    If you read Millionaire Milestones, Dogen will tell it to you straight. He’s not going to sugarcoat anything for you. The journey to financial independence is hard. Most people don’t have it in them to make the sacrifices that Dogen recommends.

    The fact that Dogen doesn’t run away from that reality is what separates his book from others I’ve read.

    If you want the truth about what it takes to become a millionaire, Dogen will give it to you.

    Throughout his multiple decades studying and teaching personal finance, Dogen has seen many ups and downs. He’s not shy about sharing his mistakes in hopes that we can learn from those mistakes.

    He opens up about his relationship with his wife and his young kids. This is key because it helps understand why money even matters to him in the first place.

    Dogen has felt the pain.

    Importantly, Dogen has felt the pain. I’ve previously expressed my opinion that personal finance education is best suited for people that have already begun their careers or are just about to start.

    This is why I teach personal finance to law students and launched Think and Talk Money for lawyers and professionals.

    I know that personal finance education didn’t matter to me until I felt the pain. By feeling the pain, I’m talking about that struggle that comes with balancing rent, debt, and a social life for the first time with your own money.

    I don’t know Dogen, and I wouldn’t presume to put words in his mouth. But, my impression after reading Millionaire Milestones is that he would agree that personal finance education is best suited for people that have felt the pain.

    Dogen is not shy about sharing how he’s felt the pain at various stages of his life.

    In fact, he will tell you that if you want to be truly independent, you’re going to have to feel the pain, too. And, it won’t come easy.

    But, he’ll also convince you that it’s well worth it.

    Read Millionaire Milestones to the very end to see why it’s all worth it.

    Reaching financial independence is hard. If you make excuses, Dogen will be the first to tell you that you aren’t going to get there.

    But, if you take responsibility for educating yourself about money, Dogen will also be the first to tell you that it’s all worth it.

    Read Millionaire Milestones to the very end. If you think you might not be cut out for the journey, seeing what it looks like at the finish line may persuade you otherwise.

    Dogen does an excellent job of not only showing you how to amass wealth, but also what you can do with that wealth you’ve worked so hard for.

    That was my favorite part of the book.

    At this point in my personal finance journey, I know the steps I need to take to become financially independent.

    What I’m still sorting out is what to do with myself once I’m there.

    Reading Dogen’s perspective on what is possible once you’ve amassed enough wealth was fascinating.

    I found his conversation about how much to spend each year once you’ve left full-time employment especially valuable. As he puts it, there’s a sweet spot between spending too much and spending too little. He gives you the tools to find that sweet spot.

    Dogen also talks about spending money in ways that boost your happiness. That could mean something as small as leaving a generous tip or as large as a once-in-a-lifetime trip for your friends.

    Most of all, his conversation about helping others through the knowledge he’s acquired really resonated with me.

    I started teaching personal finance and launched Think and Talk Money because of all the knowledge I have acquired from people like Dogen. My life has been greatly enhanced through this education.

    I’ll be nothing short of thrilled if I can carry the torch and share my personal finance journey in order to help others like Dogen has helped me.

    I highly recommend you read Millionaire Milestones.

    Wherever you are on your journey to financial independence, I highly recommend you read Millionaire Milestones.

    Dogen has not only done it all, he’s still doing it.

    Dogen won’t pull any punches. The journey to financial independence is not an easy one.

    But, as he makes clear, it’s well worth the sacrifice in the end.

  • Great Talk: Money, Baby Blue, and Friends

    Great Talk: Money, Baby Blue, and Friends

    What’s the best money you’ve spent recently?

    I thought of this question the other day as I sat in the yard. It’s such a simple but important question.

    You should be able to easily feel money well spent. If nothing comes to mind, that might be an indication that the money you are spending has not been well spent.

    The best money I’ve spent recently was on a beautiful Colorado Baby Blue Spruce for my backyard.

    Man, saying that out loud makes me feel old.

    This one purchase gave me an extended, triple happiness boost.

    Buying this tree for my backyard gave me a triple happiness boost.

    First, I enjoyed the process of learning about and choosing the right tree.

    I liked talking trees with the experts at the nursery and my family members. My kids and I would walk around the neighborhood and take pictures of any trees that we liked. It was infectious how excited they were to hunt for beautiful trees.

    Even though my daughter’s first choice was this Easter egg tree, she eventually relented and agreed the Baby Blue was the way to go .

    My daughter's favorite easter egg tree she wanted for the backyard.

    My second happiness boost came from buying and then planting the tree.

    The day I bought the tree, I walked around the nursery in the rain with my father-in-law and picked the actual tree we wanted. I’ve never picked out a tree before, but it was fun. I learned from the experts and enjoyed pretending I knew what I was doing.

    The next day, the landscaping crew came over to plant the tree. It was fun to strategize exactly where to put it and then watch the experts execute the plan.

    My third happiness boost came the next day with the tree in the ground and my kids running around the back yard.

    My son played with his toys at the base of the tree. He and his sister played hide-and-seek and took advantage of the new hiding spot.

    The whole time I watched them, I sat with a smile on my face. I expect that feeling will continue every time I look at Baby Blue in my yard.

    So, yeah, Baby Blue was money well spent.

    And yeah, I know. I’m old.

    Baby Blue brought me joy before, during, and after the purchase.

    Baby Blue is an example of the trifecta of happiness. It brought me joy before, during and after.

    The same happiness effect has been well-documented when it comes to traveling. People get a happiness boost in planning the trip, then taking the trip, and finally remembering all the fun things they did on the trip.

    That’s why so many people “love to travel.” It brings them happiness before, during, and after.

    Baby Blue taught me that I can spend money to get that same triple happiness boost even when not traveling.

    I recently met up with an old friend for a great talk about money.

    I experienced the same trifecta recently when I met up with an old friend for a great talk about money.

    Funny enough, we reconnected after he learned from a mutual friend that I had launched Think and Talk Money. I had no idea that he’s as fascinated about personal finance as I am.

    I had been looking forward to our “date” since we planned it a couple weeks ago.

    The conversation was great. We talked about money, careers, kids, and shared friends. We hadn’t seen each other for years, but you would never know it. That’s the sign of a good friendship.

    When the check came, I was delighted to spend my money. That conversation brought me a lot of happiness.

    Since we met up, I’ve been revisiting in my mind so many of the topics we covered. I’m already looking forward to the next time we get together.

    That’s money well spent.

    Personal finance is not just about the numbers.

    In the personal finance world, we spend a lot of time talking about numbers. That’s not a bad thing. Numbers help us turn our ultimate life goals into quantifiable action steps.

    However, saying you want to “buy a house” is nice, but it’s not that helpful for planning purposes.

    Saying you want to “save $100,000 for a down payment on a house in the next 3 years” is an improvement.

    Running the numbers and committing to saving $2,800/month to achieve that goal is even better.

    So, while numbers are certainly important in personal finance, it’s equally important to continuously recognize the emotions behind those numbers.

    Those emotions turn into our motivation to stay on track and hit our numbers.

    Personal finance is tied to our emotions.

    I spent money on Baby Blue. In exchange, I received a triple happiness boost. The same is true about catching up with an old friend. These experiences reminded me of why I care about money.

    Money is nothing but a tool. I care about money because I want to wield that tool to bring me and my family happiness.

    Happiness is hard to define. Spending money in exchange for happiness can be hard to accomplish. What has helped me in that regard is thinking about how I can use money to get what I want.

    Sunshine bath illustrating the triple happiness boost spending money the right way can give you.
    Photo by Zac Durant on Unsplash

    Sometimes, that means taking a deep look at my Money Why. Or, it could mean sitting on a beach with a notepad (and maybe a beer or two) and writing down my Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom.

    But, thinking about money is not just about long term goals.

    It also means how we spend our money in the present.

    Humans are emotional creatures. We can rationally look at examples and charts and won’t dispute the long term magic of compound interest.

    At the same time, we have emotions and feelings that need to be tended to now.

    It’s not realistic to expect people to put off all happiness until some unknown time in the future.

    It is realistic to make reasonable sacrifices now to ensure a better future.

    That’s the essence of investing. We invest money that we could spend today and hope it turns into more money later on.

    What might be a reasonable sacrifice for one person may be totally unreasonable for someone else. That’s perfectly fine. Still, it’s one thing to make sacrifices. It’s another thing to deprive ourselves entirely.

    I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to entirely deprive themselves of the things that make them happy. The key is understanding what those things are, and then spending our money in the pursuit of those things.

    This is one of the things my friend and I talked about the other day. It’s not that hard to understand the numbers on the spreadsheet. It’s much more difficult to stay motivated to keep making good money choices.

    This intersection of money and life is what makes personal finance so fascinating.

    Personal finance is fascinating, not because of the numbers, but because of the emotional impact of money.

    It’s why I encourage people to talk about money with their loved ones. Talking money is not about talking numbers and spreadsheets. It’s about motivating each other to intentionally use money in a way that aligns with our values. And, to do so both in the present and in the future.

    When we create a Budget After Thinking, this is exactly what we’re doing. Not only are we generating fuel for our Later Money bucket, we are giving ourselves permission to spend our Life Money on things we truly care about.

    So, what’s the best money you’ve spent recently?

    I bought a tree.

    I had a beer with a friend.

    Sure, I could have saved that money and invested it. But, I’m glad I didn’t.

    Both experiences continue to bring me joy.

    That’s money well spent.

  • Money on My Mind: Financial Literacy Month

    Money on My Mind: Financial Literacy Month

    April is known as National Financial Literacy Month.

    That’s cool. It’s never a bad idea to pay a little extra attention to your finances.

    Of course, Think and Talk Money readers don’t wait until April to be reminded of all the things we should be doing with our money.

    With more than 50 posts already at our disposal, Think and Talk Money readers pay attention to our money year round.

    We know how important money is to reaching our ultimate goals in life. That’s why we like to think and talk money just a little bit every week.

    Think and Talk Money readers know that personal finance starts with getting our money mindset in the right place. That’s why we create our personal version of Tiara Goals for Financial Freedom.

    With the right mindset, we can stay on budget and consistently generate fuel for our investments.

    When other people get worked up over the stock market, we talk to our people and stay calm.

    We know that time is on our side.

    Plus, investing is actually the easy part.

    We control what we a control. That’s why we invest early and often to get the maximum benefit of compound interest.

    So, Think and Talk Money readers don’t need a national personal finance month.

    And, we’re happy that personal finance gets a little extra attention each year in April.

    aerial photography of flowers at daytime in April, personal finance month, which Think and Talk Money readers don't need.
    Photo by Joel Holland on Unsplash

    These credit card fees are getting out of hand.

    Is it just me, or are you also noticing more and more businesses charging fees to use credit cards?

    I wrote about my disdain for credit card fees recently. 

    In just the past couple of weeks, I’ve chosen to pay with cash instead of credit card on multiple occasions:

    • At the butcher shop, which charges a 3% fee, and is kind of smug about it.
    • At the local ice cream shop, which charges a 4% fee and misleadingly labels it a 4% discount for customers paying in cash.
    • For the garage door repair guy, who creatively indicates the fee in terms of cash instead of a percentage. In this instance, $11 instead of 3% of the total bill.
    • At the tree nursery, which also charges a 3% fee for credit cards. This one hurt the most. Trees are expensive! I really would have liked those points.

    By paying cash, I avoided hundreds of dollars in fees. Don’t get me wrong, I love credit cards points as much as anyone. But, I just can’t stomach paying these fees to earn the points.

    I even ran the numbers recently and determined that the points don’t make up for the added penalty of using a card.

    I know many business owners disagree, but in my opinion, these fees are bad for business.

    Fees act as a deterrent for me to spend money. I imagine they are a deterrent for others, as well. If I do shop at one of these establishments, I end up being more selective and spending less money than I otherwise would have.

    • At the butcher shop, I didn’t buy the side items to go with my skirt steaks. 
    • At the ice cream shop, I bought ice cream for my kids but not for myself. Luckily (or unluckily?), my son gave me his leftover, melty Superman ice cream with rainbow sprinkles.
    • I had no choice with the garage door guy- the garage was broken and needed fixing. You win, garage door guy!
    • At the tree nursery, I bought half as many trees and plants as I intended. 

    The way I see it, both the customer and the business lose out because of these fees. 

    For example, at the nursery, I didn’t get all the plants I wanted. That made me kind of sad.

    At the same time, the nursery lost out on more than $1,000 in plant sales. I don’t know how that made the business feel. Obviously, it’s not that sad since it continues to charge the fee.

    Taking a broader viewpoint, maybe these credit card fees are actually good for us consumers.

    In our consumer-driven society, we all spend too much money when we go out to eat or go shopping. Studies have consistently proven that we spend less money when forced to use cash.

    In that sense, a deterrent to spending, which is exactly what these fees are, is probably a good thing for us consumers. 

    I can’t imagine it’s good for business, though.

    What do you think?

    It’s OK that tracking your net worth is less fun during a market dip.

    I track my net worth once per month using a simple spreadsheet. Today was the first day I updated the spreadsheet since “Liberation Day” and markets dipped.

    Like so many others, my net worth took a hit this past month.

    That’s not fun.

    But, I’m not losing my mind over it.

    I’m not saying it feels good. I would much rather see my net worth steadily improving.

    A Yellow Warbler sits in a flowering tree on a sunny spring morning during financial literacy month, which Think and Talk Money readers don't need.
    Photo by Mark Olsen on Unsplash

    I’m just saying I’m not freaking out about it. Time is on my side. 

    I expect dips like this will occur multiple times throughout my investing timeline.

    One thing I’ve found is that it helps to talk about money when things aren’t going well. You realize that you’re not alone. Your friends and family are probably having the same feelings that you’re having.

    You don’t have to share how much money you have or how much you lost. You can still benefit emotionally by acknowledging to your loved ones that you’re thinking about the markets a little bit more these days.

    People are going bananas for The Bananas.

    A reader sent in a great story about a couple who went $1.8 million into debt to start The Savannah Bananas.

    If you haven’t heard of The Bananas, they might just be the best story in sports right now.

    Despite countless opportunities to cash in by taking on investors, the owners still own 100% of the team. They continue to do things their way, even if that means foregoing massive profits.

    I love stories like this. These owners bet on themselves and found success. Instead of cashing in at the first chance, they’re staying true to themselves.

    At the end of the day, they’re making money and seem to enjoy what they’re doing. 

    Is there anything better than that?