Introduction

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  • Why It’s So Important to Learn Personal Finance

    Why It’s So Important to Learn Personal Finance

    When I graduated law school in 2009, I never thought about money.

    Within a year, I had racked up $20,000 in credit card debt ($30,000 in today’s dollars).

    And, that was on top of my student loan debt.

    My salary at the time was $62,000. This was a problem. 

    After all these years, I still ask myself, “How did I let that happen?”

    The answer, I now realize, is actually pretty simple.

    I never learned about personal finance.

    I wasn’t thinking about money. And, I certainly wasn’t talking about money.

    It wasn’t until later that I learned that I had made every common money mistake in the book.

    • Rented a fancy apartment with a garage parking spot that I didn’t need?
    • Paid for Cubs season tickets I couldn’t afford?
    • Traveled coast-to-coast? Traveled overseas? Put it all on credit cards? 

    Check… check.. and check.

    It’s not that I intentionally decided to get into debt. Frankly, there was nothing unusual about me at all.

    I generally wanted to make good choices. I am a relatively smart human. You are, too. You’re reading a personal finance blog with the entire internet at your fingertips.

    Maybe you’re like me, and it hadn’t occurred to you that money was a thing you needed to learn about.

    I didn’t know the first thing about money when I began my career.

    When I graduate law school, I blindly assumed that I would earn a high enough income that I didn’t have to worry about money.

    As I fell deeper and deeper into debt, I realized what a huge mistake that was. 

    Maybe that’s why I still remember the day so clearly when I realized I was financially heading in the wrong direction.

    It was an ordinary Monday. I had grabbed my mail on the way out the door as I headed to my job at the courthouse. When I got to my desk, I opened my credit card statement and was stunned by what I saw.

    $20,000 owed ($30,000 in today’s dollars) one year into my career.  

    I was ashamed. I was supposed to be smart. Responsible. Trustworthy. 

    How could I be so foolish?

    Looking back, I shouldn’t have been so hard on myself. I had never learned about personal finances.

    It would be like getting upset today that I’m bad at playing the piano when I never learned how to play in the first place.

    I’m certain that if I taken a personal finance course, or read a personal finance blog, I wouldn’t have made the same mistakes.

    I would have saved myself a lot of worry, frustration, and time if I had a basic personal finance education.

    I also would have learned that so many others were struggling with consumer debt like I was. There was no reason to make it harder on myself by keeping my debt a secret and struggling alone.

    I unnecessarily did it the hard way, but I figured out personal finance.

    At that moment when the full weight of my debt hit me, I made it a priority to turn things around. 

    At the time, I didn’t know the solution.

    But, I had been trained to do research in law school so I could find answers to hard questions. So, that’s what I did.

    Along the way, I realized that the fundamental and basic personal finance principles are, well, basic.

    George S. Clason wrote “The Richest Man in Babylon” nearly a century ago. His collection of parables set in ancient Babylon is legendary. 

    Everyone should read it. His advice is simple and excellent: spend less than you earn. Save. Invest.

    The same fundamentals are as true today as they were then.

    Easy, right? 

    Not exactly.

    woman holding pen and paper symbolizing why personal finance education is so important.
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    Personal finance education should be a constant in your life. 

    Money is about continuous mindset and choices.

    The basic concepts are easy enough to understand. Consistently making good choices is hard.

    Even as I was racking up credit card debt, I could have aced a quiz that asked, “Is it a good idea to spend more money than you earn every month and plummet deeper and deeper into debt?”

    I knew that I was supposed to spend less than I earned. That didn’t stop me from overspending.

    Knowing the right answer is not the same as actually doing the right thing.

    The law students and lawyers I teach are smart people. Like me back in 2010, they generally know the right answers. They don’t need me to tell them to spend less than they earn.

    I help them get to the next level by building a strong money mindset. Then, we work on the habits and skills that will allow them to consistently use money as a tool to control their circumstances.

    It’s not enough to learn the basics of personal finance and then stop. As your life changes, you need to regularly evaluate your personal finances so your money stays in line with your values. 

    That’s why it’s important to make personal finance education a constant in your life, whether it’s through a blog, a course or coaching.

    Too many of us choose to struggle with money alone.

    For some reason, though, most of us choose to deal with money on our own. Alone, we struggle with anxiety about credit card debt and guilt about splurging on things we love.

    This has never made sense to me.

    Making good choices with our money is essential to a healthy and meaningful life.

    Why don’t we talk more about these things with our friends and family?

    That’s what I’m trying to change.

    I’m done with this stigma that we shouldn’t talk about money.

    I want us to get comfortable with the idea of going to our friends and loved ones to talk about money, just as we would talk about anything else.

    There should be no embarrassment or shame in it. We’re all dealing with the same challenges.

    By talking about money, we can help each other turn those challenges into opportunities.

    If we can alleviate our money stress, perhaps we can reverse the trend of lower happiness levels among young people today.

    Talking about money is not about numbers.

    We’ll have plenty more to say about how to talk money. For now, let’s agree that talking about money is not about prying into how many dollars we each have in the bank. 

    We can benefit by talking about our money mindset, habits, and strategies, while still keeping certain information private.

    Let’s also agree that talking money is a “no judgment” endeavor.

    We have all had different experiences that have shaped our relationship with money.

    It’s important not to pass judgment, especially when talking to our significant others. Your conversation won’t last very long if you ignore this advice.

    Each session I’m with my students, I learn from their experiences and money mindset, same as they learn from mine. I encourage them to continue the conversation outside the classroom with their loves ones. 

    When my students report back, they tell me how empowered they felt after starting these conversations. The more we can talk money, the less we’ll feel alone. We’ll all make better choices because of it.

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    Talk about money mindset with your significant other, family, and friends.

    If you want to know where to begin the conversation with your loved ones, start with money mindset.

    Money mindset touches every aspect of personal finance, so it’s the natural place to start.

    I didn’t realize the power of money mindset until I wrote down my Tiara Goals for financial independence on a beach in 2017.

    People tend to skip this step. They want to jump straight to investing and real estate before learning about money mindset.

    But, why focus on investing if you and your significant other are not aligned on what those investments are for?

    The same logic applies to budgeting. While very few people enjoy the budgeting process, it’s a crucial step to generate fuel for our savings and investments, which ultimately fund our major life goals.

    The progression matters. Only after we’ve learned about budgeting, saving, and how to responsibly use debt and credit cards should we focus on investing and real estate investing.

    Talking about money is not taboo.

    There’s no reason to embark on your journey to financial freedom alone.

    Read a personal finance blog. Take a personal finance course.

    Talk about money.

    Share your accomplishments and struggles with your friends and loved ones. You’ll only be better off for it.

    If I can be of any help on your journey, please don’t hesitate to reach out.

    Don’t forget to subscribe to my email list for all the latest money topics I’m thinking about.

  • Why Personal Finance for Lawyers is so Important

    Why Personal Finance for Lawyers is so Important

    I founded Think and Talk Money after years of teaching personal finance for lawyers and law students. 

    My purpose is to share these principles of personal finance for lawyers with all professionals striving for financial freedom.

    I like to think and talk about money. To help us achieve financial freedom, we can’t be embarrassed or afraid to talk about money with our friends and family.

    That’s why I’m on a mission to convince people that talking money is not taboo.

    I like thinking and talking about life and money.

    “If you want to get Matt talking, bring up life and money.”

    My wife knows me better than anyone.

    I like thinking and talking about life and money. That’s why I started teaching financial wellness to law students in 2021 and started this blog in 2024.

    But, I wasn’t always like that. 

    When I graduated law school in 2009, I never thought about money. Within a year, I had racked up $20,000 in credit card debt ($30,000 in today’s dollars), on top of my student loan debt.

    My salary at the time was $62,000. This was a problem. 

    How did that happen?

    Well, I wasn’t thinking about money. I certainly wasn’t talking about money.

    Of course, I later learned that I had made every money mistake in the book.

    Rented a fancy apartment I didn’t need?

    Paid for Cubs season tickets I couldn’t afford?

    Traveled coast-to-coast? Traveled overseas? Put it all on credit cards?

    Check… check.. and check.

    Woman taking out US dollar bills from her pocket wallet because she learned personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    It’s not that I intentionally decided to get into debt. I generally wanted to make good choices. I am a relatively smart human. You are, too. You’re reading a blog about financial wellness with the entire internet at your fingertips.

    Maybe you’re like me, and it hadn’t occurred to you that money was a thing you needed to think about. And to talk about. Preferably with people impacted by your money choices.

    I dedicated myself to learning about money.

    Since 2010, I’ve dedicated myself to learning about money and its role in crafting a healthy life.

    First, I read all the personal finance books and listened to podcasts.

    Along the way, I kept a money journal. Plus, I talked to people I trusted.

    In the end, I started to make choices with my money that matched my values.

    Years into my own money journey, and now teaching personal finance for lawyers and professionals, here are a few things to know about me:

    I work for clients with mesothelioma, a cancer caused by asbestos.

    Since 2011, I’ve represented hundreds of people suffering from mesothelioma, a rare cancer caused by asbestos.

    Most of my clients are in their seventies and eighties. A significant part of my job since I’ve been in my twenties has been meeting with individuals in their homes after they had just found out they have incurable cancer.

    Before we ever get around to talking about the case, we inevitably end up talking about life.

    I do most of the listening. You can imagine what I’ve learned about life in these moments. Many of my core money beliefs have been shaped by these powerful experiences.

    I am a real estate investor and own rental properties in Chicago and Colorado.

    In 2018, my wife and I bought our first rental property in Chicago, a 4-flat in an up-and-coming neighborhood. We lived in one unit and rented out the other three.

    I’ll never forget riding my bike with my wife and a buddy, heading from the fancy part of the city where I had been living to my new home. I could tell my buddy was skeptical about my new neighborhood.

    Finally, he saw something he recognized and said, “Hey, nice! A spin studio!” He saw a sign that read “Cycle Spin.”

    It was a laundromat.

    A row of industrial washing machines in a public laundromat illustrating why it's important to learn personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    He wasn’t the only one who was probably thinking, “what is Matt doing?”

    Well, that 4-flat allowed my wife and I (and eventually two kids) to live for free for six years.

    See, the rent we collected covered our mortgage, insurance, taxes, maintenance, and then some. 

    With the money we saved, we bought our second rental property in 2019, a nearby 3-flat.

    In 2022, we purchased another Chicago 3-flat, where my family lived for about two years before moving to our permanent home.

    My tenants are doctors, lawyers, engineers, TV personalities, pilots, and other young professionals. 

    In 2021, we bought a rental condo in Colorado ski country. This had been a dream of mine hatched at The 1800 Club in Evanston during college.

    Back then, I amused my friends on many a ski trip by cartwheeling down the mountain as I learned to snowboard.

    To pay for flights and lift tickets, I took a couple part-time jobs in local offices. I told myself one day I would “Get that Mountain.”

    While my wife and I were contemplating life during the height of the pandemic, we determined that a ski condo fit perfectly with our desire to be with family, to be active, and to be outdoors as much as possible.

    So, we delayed buying our “forever home” for another investment property, this time one in Colorado that we could rent out and use a little bit ourselves.

    I started a money journal in 2010.

    I started a money journal in 2010. It has been a lot of fun to look at as I launched my financial wellness course and as I’m writing this blog.

    I’ll refer back to these entries as I share my lessons about personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    Some entries are just scribbles while I worked through that month’s money question.

    Some entries go deep.

    My favorite: I wrote in 2011 that someday I was going to marry the girl I had been dating at that time for the past few months.

    That girl became my wife in 2017. 

    I encourage everyone to keep some sort of money journal. It doesn’t have to be a daily log or a detailed memoir. Use to help you think. It will also reinforce the idea that we all need to think about money continuously.

    Some of the same challenges I had in my 20’s, are resurfacing today, like paying off debt. Then, it was student loans. Now, it’s mortgages.

    I am more confident today because I can look back at how I  handled those obstacles back then.

    I have taught personal finance for lawyers since 2021.

    Since 2011, I’ve taught law students how to research, write, and communicate in the courtroom. We work on finding answers to difficult questions.

    Oftentimes, there are many possible answers, and we have to think and analyze which is the best for our situation. 

    I regularly have coffee with students who want to talk about what comes next after finishing school. I learned that, just like me in 2009, my students didn’t typically think or talk about money and life. They never really thought about learning personal finance for lawyers.

    I wanted to help them avoid the money struggles that I had experienced at the beginning of my career.

    Male speaker giving presentation on personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    That’s why in 2021, I designed and launched a course focused on personal finance for lawyers.

    My goal with that course, and this website, is to help us all think about using money as a tool to build a life that conforms to our personal values.

    The point is not to get rich. Though, you will if that’s your goal and you follow along. The point is to live your life on purpose where you actively think and choose what happens next.

    Think about why money matters.

    The first step is to think about a simple and powerful question:

    Why does money matter?

    For me and many others, money is about financial independence, which translates to the power to choose. When we have the power to choose, we have the power to live a life that conforms to our personal values.

    That means we can live on purpose, not on auto-pilot.

    We can choose to spend our working hours doing what is meaningful to us.

    We can choose to spend more time with the people that are meaningful to us.

    And it all starts with using money as a tool to do what we want with our lives.

    My favorite part during my personal finance for lawyers class is when my students share their motivations with each other. We all learn so much from these honest conversations.

    It’s why I believe talking about money is so important. We all benefit from knowing that we’re not alone in our money worries. It is inspiring to hear what our friends want from their money and their lives.

    If nothing else, I want you to think and talk about money.

    As a lawyer, I’ve been trained to build upon the work of those who have come before us.

    Think and Talk Money is my contribution to this essential field of personal finance, building upon what I was so grateful to learn. Not just from authors, but from all the people in my life who talk with me about life and money.

    In teaching personal finance for lawyers, I’ve learned that most of us are facing the same challenges. Maybe my voice and my experiences will resonate with you. Maybe not. And that’s ok.

    I will be honest about the mistakes I’ve made and the lessons I’ve learned. We’ll talk about motivation, habits, and fundamentals. We’ll talk about careers and goals. Of course, we’ll talk about investing in real estate and managing rental properties.

    I’ll share my thoughts on key news and developments. I don’t expect you to agree with everything I say. Not every post will be immediately helpful for you. That’s not my goal or even realistic. 

    Think just a little bit about money every week.

    My goal is to help you think even a little bit about your money choices every week.

    That way, your money life remains in balance with the rest of your life, and you can continually evolve and adapt your choices as your life changes.

    I want to encourage you to think, and to talk, and to choose. If all I do is help you and your loved ones think more purposefully about your money, this website will be a success. 

    Maybe your goal is also financial independence, or the power to choose. The power to live on purpose.

    Maybe it’s something else entirely. Whatever it is, discovering your motivation is the crucial first step. 

    It’s so important that I’ll encourage you to think about that motivation every day.

    I’ve learned that money is something that we all need to think about as a regular part of our lives. Not that we should only think about money. Or that we need to obsess over money. Simply that we can’t ignore money.

    How sad is it when we realize our hard earned money has just vanished?

    That at the end of each month, we have less money than at the beginning?

    You’re not alone. There are a lot of smart people who need somewhere to turn learn about money. Or, maybe just a reminder to actively think about their money.

    Most of us could use someone to talk to or something to read to help us learn about personal finance for lawyers and professionals.

    I hope Think and Talk Money can be that place for you.

    I can’t, and won’t, tell you what to do with your money. It’s your life, after all. But, I will strive to help you think and talk with purpose about your money.

    Here we go.

    12 responses to “Why Personal Finance for Lawyers is so Important”

    1. Bill Molander Avatar
      Bill Molander

      Well written, Matt! Best wishes to you in future endeavors.

    2. Clarke Nobiletti Avatar
      Clarke Nobiletti

      Excited for the valuable advice!

      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
    3. Laurie Avatar
      Laurie

      Hey, I think your ideas are very interesting. Thanks for your thoughts. Maybe keeping money journal is a good idea for me too. A fresh outlook and clean slate for starting out the new year makes sense too.

      1. Matthew Adair Avatar

        Great attitude, Laurie! Keep me posted on your money journal!

    4. Jeffrey Tallis Avatar
      Jeffrey Tallis

      Smart young man! He listens to people! He takes what he hears and learns from it! Great stuff here! Your law students are lucky to have you as a money mentor!

      1. Matthew Adair Avatar

        Thank you, Jeff! Glad you enjoyed the first post!

    5. Diana Avatar
      Diana

      This was a great read — thanks for sharing!

      1. Matthew Adair Avatar
    6. Nicholas Faklis Avatar
      Nicholas Faklis

      Matt What are your thoughts on index funds vs individual stocks ?

      1. Matthew Adair Avatar

        Great question! I invest in index funds and think that’s the best choice for many of us. We’ll have to revisit this topic in a future post. Stay tuned!